AR Budget and what to get

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cpttango30, Jan 3, 2009.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Ok With Tax time looming I am getting a good chunk of change back from Uncle tom and Pres BO.

    I want an AR I want to take the plunge but My budget is not what I would like. I might be able to squeeze $1000 out of it but that would be it for everything -optics I got a good scope that I can take off a Rimfire.

    So I know I want a flattop or an EOP. Which is better?

    I would like a 22 to 24" SS barrel

    Comfortable grip and light weight stock

    Should I build or buy.

    If I build where do I go to buy parts and all that stuff. I am rather handy when it comes to guns and can completely strip two of my rimfires in under 5 minutes that is down to a bare action.

    I like this one and I really like the price All though I would like a different caliber than 223 maybe something a little bigger or smaller I like the 204 Ruger round So this one is another thought. But I fear that the price will be getting higher hear very soon.

    So some of the all mighty AR Gods of Firearms Talk direct me in the ways of the AR.....

    I can't believe I am thinking of getting one just a few years ago I didn't want anything to do with them.
     
  2. junho806

    junho806 New Member

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    hahaha
    JD should be coming around pretty soon
    but you could look at my thread i guess
    building it is definitely worth it
    saves money and you "know" how it works
    :D
    good luck!
     

  3. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    Building is always cheaper and gets you the exact gun that you want. The problem with it is finding the receivers.
     
  4. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    By all means build it yourself! Just get a good quality lower first-that's the part you have to fill out the paperwork on, and counts as firearm. Now you have to decide exactly how you're going to configure it before making a parts list. May I remind you that IMO too many people fall for "gadgetizing" they're AR to the point where it weighs more than neccesary and is actually less effective. Remember the K.I.S.S. principle, get quality parts, and make sure they're compatible. You can build a damn nice AR for less than your budget allows-even in mid-panic buying spree.
     
  5. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    Thats about all the guidance ya need right there! Great advice.
    Only add I would offer up is it is so hard finding parts right now. Its hard to find all the components in stock (less the lower) from a single source; you really have to keep an eye on running shipping costs up by buying from multi sources. Best bet is if you have a good dealer nearby and be patient.

    Hey should somebody call search and rescue? Figured this one would have woke JD up from a sound sleep.:D
     
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  6. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    The only thing hanging off my ar IF I GET ONE will be a SCOPE, BIPOD and a SLING.

    I want a solid free floated tube like hogue or something.

    Trigger I want a light trigger no more than 2#.

    I am thinking 243, 204, 260. Not just your run of the mill 223. I have a 223 already. But I am not sold on that either yet. I would love to have a 260 because I can use it at the range and on ground hogs and deer. So it would be a good all around gun.

    I guess I coud get a basic AR with a flat top then replace things as I go.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    And..... I'm Back.

    Sorry. I was sacrificing small children before a black alter in hopes of reversing time back prior to Nov. 3rd....

    Soooooo, my brother in crime wants to get into the AR world. And to think, just a few months ago I couldn't have GIVEN you one... LOL

    The first thing you need to decide is BUILD or BUY:

    You are a tinkerer by nature - and given your current collection, I would be surprised if you DIDN'T opt to build it yourself.

    The first thing you need is the lower receiver - and given the size of the cartridges, you should be able to do it with a standard AR-15 lower.

    Once you purchase that, then you can customize the things that you are looking for.

    A 2# trigger isn't a problem - there are several choices from single stage with tuning to two stage drop ins that will get you in the ball park.

    Really, buying a kit and assembling it yourself is going to be the cheapest, if you find parts these days, and the most fun since you will have direct input over what goes in your rifle.

    As for a parts list, I like these guys:

    Yankee Hill Machine for foreends and folding sights.

    RRA NM 2-Stage Trigger. Best drop in trigger for the money. Period.

    Jard Adjustable Triggers. Great for the do it yourselfer.

    Magpul PMags are the current Need To Have accessory for the "tactically sound" community.

    CMMG SSAT Magazines are another choice that have great reviews.

    Hit me up if you have any questions or need some advice on parts and where to get them...

    JD
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    The RRA triggers are better than the Timneys? Or are they just more bang for the buck?
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Hands down for a tactical and real world application.

    Timney makes a great benchrest and a great, tuneable ( is that a word ?) trigger. I have several in my boltguns.

    But, for a great, drop in, reliable, field trigger the RRA NM 2-Stage is the best choice going in my opinion and that of the shop I spend time in.

    Plus it's a simple issue of economics:

    $195 versus less than $100 for the RRA.

    JD
     
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  10. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Active Member

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    I can't believe how good the Jard triggers are after installing/adjusting. I never was much on 2 stage triggers so the single stage Jard kit is the only 1 I'll reccomend from now in.
     
  11. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I really like the Jard too - I had one on my 17" with the Eotech that used to be in my gallery before it fell off the boat into the Marianas Trench. :rolleyes:

    They are quite good, and for a single stage trigger, they are great.

    I do prefer the 2 Stage trigger for more "long range" work, but there is NOTHING wrong with the Jard on an entry gun in my opinion.

    JD
     
  12. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I can live with a 2 stage trigger close up, but at distance, they're absolutely essential. I'm a big fan of using one rifle and one pistol to do everything. That way you know them both intimately, inside and out. Because of that, I'd go 2 stage.

    I'm coming up with about $300 for the Timney and about $120 for the RRA.
     
  13. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Timney - Direct from Timney = http://www.timneytriggers.com/sunshop/catalog/AR-15-Competition-7.html

    Timney - From Dynamic Armament =

    http://dynamicarmament.com/items/ar...er-3-pound-timneyflattrigger3pound-detail.htm

    RRA - From Coleman Tyler = (currently out of stock, but more are expected )

    http://www.colemantyler.com/proddetail.php?prod=RRALRNMT

    Same RRA Trigger without the name on it from AR15Sales.com =

    http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/miscparts.html

    Slordy has ordered from them dozens of times and recommends them whole heartedly.

    JD
     
  14. redwheat

    redwheat New Member

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    "Ok With Tax time looming I am getting a good chunk of change back from Uncle tom and Pres BO. "




    I just want to know why you are getting a good chunk of change back. You have let "them" have your money interest free for the entire year and now they are generously letting you have it back when it was yours in the first place. Change something on your W-2s and keep some of it durring the year.:)
     
  15. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Could be a lot of reasons. Tango could have bought a house this year, or had a kid close to the end of the year. He could also have been working his rear end off in mandatory overtime and didn't have the time/motivation/energy to get down to HR and change his W-2. *shrug*

    JD
     
  16. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Why do I want to get a few dollars more on my paycheck so they can take more? I don't care if it is interest free It is like a savings account for me. I get tired of hearing people tell me how to deal with my money when you don't even know who I am or what I am doing.

    I think it is stupid to claim more and have them take out less then end up owing the guberment money in the end. I would rather let them think it is theirs for a year then take my money and run.

    I did change jobs and this is the first time in 4 years I have to file. So unless you live in my house don't effin tell me what to do with MY DAM MONEY.

    I thought we were talking about me buying an AR or did I miss something after my first post.

    So I am really wanting a DPMS I like the LR-204 or LR-260. Not sure about getting a larger caliber like the 260 rem because I will not shoot it to much. But If I get a 223 I will then have to buy a conversion kit for my dillon and dies and other stuff. Not sure I want another varmint caliber either. I dunno to many options for me to think about. I have handled a Smith and I really like them too they feel solid and well built.

    So I am looking at the RRA Predator Pursuit Rifle. If I decide on a 223 what chamber do I want 556 223 or the wylde chamber?

    Then I got to get a new scope. I think the VX-II 6-18x40mm would end up on this rifle with a new one going on my remmy 700 vls. I was thinking 6-24 or 8-32, If I went with an 8-32 it would end up on my 308 and that 6-24 4200 would move to my VLS. OMG I've gone crosseyed.
     
  17. Dillinger

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    Sounds like you got a lot of choices ahead there brother, and little time before it gets pressing to make them. :D

    So, RRA is the only company, I believe, that is turning out the choice of 5.56 or .223 or Wylde and what that means is this.

    Their standard 5.56 chamber is for Military type ammo

    Their .223 is for the civilian standard of .223 - like your hunting rounds

    Their Wylde chamber is a cross between the two that RRA is saying will shoot both rounds without incident.

    Conventional wisdom is that any 5.56 rated chamber will handle the lower pressure .223 without incident, but the accuracy will be SLIGHTLY decreased.

    Knowing you, you are going to end up reloading, and fine tuning, the load anyways, so I think the chamber choice if you go with this caliber would lean towards the military standard 5.56, which gives you the best of both worlds.

    AND IN OTHER NEWS: :D

    Guess who got to see the new bolt head and barrel design for the Remington MDP Sniper Rifle this week?? Ha ha ha :D

    This weapon is going to be SICK and we are ALL going to be wanting one. They will be displaying it for the first time to the public at SHOT, and I have pictures, but I can't post them until after the show is officially open.

    Remington has COMPLETELY over-hauled their whole rifle concept and they are now going to be loading military grade match ammo with "payloads" for special missions, the whole nine yards. Remington is coming back STRONG with this new offering. Very Impressive stuff....

    JD
     
  18. MXFun86

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    I don't know where y'all live, but up here in MI, building just isn't an option anymore. EVERYONE is sold out of parts. The lower is the hardest part to get. Even our gun shows are out of stock. But if you can manage, I personally love Del-ton for bang for the buck. If you're looking for a diff cal look into the .50 Beowolf, or maybe the .458 SOCOM, both available at Rock River Arms(after a lengthy back order). Otherwise I'd go the .308 route. Rumor has it the the new Remington .308 (R-25?)is actually a Bushmaster. Btw, Del-ton offers all their uppers in 5.56. If it were me I'd only buy a 5.56 as it'll handle all the available loads in .223 or 5.56 where as a .223 upper may have trouble with hot 5.56 loads. Also, don't pay any mind to the "steel casings are evil" myth.
     
  19. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I just paid off the kid I had last year, who spent over 2 months in the Noenatal ICU, I've had another kid, got laid off and taken it in the shorts on depreciation on my land in the past year.

    There are 4 of us and before I got laid off, I was claiming 4. I', squeezing all I can out of the bastards after they did the same to me. Even though, he'll steal all of my freedom, at least Obama might let me keep some of my money, rather than dumping it into unjust wars and unfounded threats to "Homeland Security".

    [/rant]
     
  20. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I live in Cali and I can buy parts off of www.gunbroker.com all day long that fall into our laws. It should be much easier in free states. There are close to 300 lowers listed there right now.

    FYI, lacquered steel will ruin your AR. It's not a myth, keep shooting the garbage and see what happens. Also, please read up on the difference between 5.56 NATO and .223 Rem. Also just for ****s and grins, check out what a .223 Wylde is.
     
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