AR 7.62 Battle Rifle

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by 1911love, May 6, 2013.

  1. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    Guys, I'm having a hard time deciding which rifle to save for. My choices so far are HK MR762, SCAR 17S, LMT MWS, LWRC Reper, and LaRue OBR.

    I don't know much about any of them so I'm looking for suggestions and pros/cons. If I left a contender off the list, I'd like to hear about it too.

    I want an AR pattern rifle with the ability to shoot out to 700-800 yards. It will mainly be used for fun, but I want a battle hardened design that would also be superb for SHTF/EOTWAWKI. I intend to put a top tier long range optic on top and a QD bipod. I live in Florida, so I am in a lot of heat and humidity. I think I want a piston gun bc I've heard DI 7.62s get REALLY dirty really quick.

    Thanks for the input and any help you might be able to offer.
     
  2. MisterMcCool

    MisterMcCool Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Too rich for my blood. :(
     

  3. 1911love

    1911love New Member

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    It's all about how you save brother. I've been selling old non-gun collectibles too to try and make up the difference.
     
  4. rfishjr

    rfishjr New Member

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    Sig 716 is a piston 7.62 battle rifle
     
  5. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Let's see,

    HK MR762 - Too muzzle heavy (HK needs to put that stupid half-machined chunk of aluminum on a diet), too damn heavy (the barrel is industrial grade), requires a takedown tool (dumb), uses proprietary magazines (dumb) and has proprietary small parts that you'll have to buy after you buy the carbine (to me, a 16" barrel loses some of its appeal after you deal with the blast for awhile). I just don't like the stock on it at all (can't cant without unlocking the butt pad), but some of my friends like it. It's an external piston gun, which is what you said you wanted. I do like the fact that checking the mag is easy.

    SCAR 17S - Love the weight, magazines are now available even if they are proprietary, and you can purchase an aluminum (magnesium now, too, that's within 2 OZ of the plastic lower or so) lower that can use PMAG's with. Overall, great gun, but it's expensive and if one of the small parts breaks or is lost... Granted, that might change in the future.

    LMT MWS - No experience

    LWRC Reper - No experience

    LaRue OBR - No experience, but I've never had a problem or complaint with anything I've purchased from them.

    I've decided I'm gonna nab a SR 25 and sell my SCAR because I want something with parts and magazine availability and I'm not paying the tariff for a SCAR or specialized mag (like the steel ones that come with the SR25).

    The SCAR has AK-like recoil, is freaking loud because of the comp, and has a carbine length barrel. Supposedly FNH is going to import some 20" barrels, but I'm not going to waste my time or hold my breath.

    Lastly, while an AR may not be as reliable as an AK, why would you select any of those rifles if absolute reliability was important to you? Why not get a converted, heavy barrel SAIGA or a "guerrilla sniper rifle" from an outfit like Rifle Dynamics? It's sure to be more affordable and use more affordable ammunition.
     
  6. Papa_Woody

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    Damn, your budget must be sick! The missus would never let me budget for an SCAR. Once in a blue moon i make a "poor judgement call" and end up in the $1200 range with a toy, but she hoses my ass for a month. Lucky dog....

    Why are these the guns on your list? What is it you are trying to accomplish at 700+ yards?
     
  7. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    On that note, why are you trying to purchase a $3000-$5000 dollar solution to a $1500 problem, apart from just having a fun range toy to play with?

    I can't say I'm not guilty of the same thing, because last month I purchased a $4500 SEI M14, but seriously why? I've heard the OBR is capable of making the shot, but aren't there cheaper solutions to the problem, like a Remington 700? If you're on any sort of budget a 700P is hard to beat.

    I would dump money into optics, if you don't already have quality glass, long before I'd blow cash on a fancy rifle (so says the man that just purchased a SSG 69 today).

    My wife says I have too many toys, but she has lots of toys of her own.
     
  8. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    got a scar17 totally love it. shot 3 deer with it back in december.

    parts are hard to get for any 7.62 ar10 or any semi auto 308 so dont let that bug ya if your going that route.

    i cant think of a single negative issue with the scar 17

    here is mine with various accessories

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    this is 100 yards with sierra smk 168 bthp top hole is actually 3 shots bottom two i was doing sight in and moving the poi up with scope adjustments.

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  9. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Jon, did you replace the PWS with a SureFire comp or flash suppressor. If you have a SureFire flash suppressor, what's the recoil like without a comp?
     
  10. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    yeah its got a surefire flash suppressor now. i cant really tell much of a difference other than its pleasent to shoot now. not a fan of muzzle brakes.

    if you decide to go that route, surefire has a special scar17 flash suppressor that isnt listed on their order page. they will ship you one if you order over the phone.

    with flash suppressor and suppressed

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  11. 1911love

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    Thanks for the input so far! I am recently single and have no children. I've been in sales since I was 17 and God gave me a real talent for it so I've always had a healthy income stream. A lot of my friends always ask about my gun budget, it's just about discipline and making sacrifices elsewhere, like driving an older truck with no payment.

    I'd like to be able to knock down a deer at long range if needed and punch paper at long range. Currently I'm only set up for engagements under 500 yards. I'd like to extend that a bit, hence the 700-800 yard range. I'd also like better barrier penetration and knock down power if needed, hence the 7.62 requirement.

    I have not heard of the Sig 716, I'll have to check it out. I also didn't know about the weight and special parts in the HK. IMHO, $4,000 shouldn't come with those draw backs. So far, the SCAR 17S is my front runner, I just need to know more about the other platforms.

    Jon, that SCAR looks really great! I just wish they took the .30cal PMags. Thanks everybody so far that has shared!
     
  12. ShagNasty1001

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    My roommate has a 716. It's frickin sweet!! And takes regular PMags
     
  13. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    1911love, the SCAR does take PMAG's with a Handl Defense lower. What's an extra 3 bills (aluminum) to 5 bills (magnesium) compared to a 3K carbine? Add a $400 dollar Geissele trigger to that... sling, grip, optics... ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching.

    I have to agree, Jon's SCAR is awesome. SureFire cans are awesome, too.

    Making an 800 yard shot (consistently and accurately, not just tagging a 55 gallon drum) requires lots of ancillary equipment that doesn't come with a rifle or scope, like an anemometer, barometer, thermometer, IR thermometer (to measure the ammo temperature), ballistics charts, a level, a laser range finder, a decent spotting scope, and ammo that's around two bucks a pop.

    Apart from that a quality scope that doesn't have the optical distortion you experience with cheaper ones at higher magnification levels is a must-have, not a nice-to-have.

    Everyone likes the guns, which is the fun part for me too, but do you already have all of that? Because it'll easily run you what the rifle did and ammunition makes the cost of everything else seem trivial by way of comparison.

    Also, what kind of deer are you hunting at 800 yards?

    If you want penetration and stopping power, you probably want to up the caliber a little at that distance, which generally means a bolt gun although I've seen a .338 Lapua AR. It was a beast.
     
  14. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    I ordered a handl lower when i got the scar17. It just 2 weeks ago showed up. Ordered from rainier arms.

    The funny thing is 308pmags are non existant on shelves and ones off auction sites are more than the scar17 mags and scar17 mags are relatively easy to get atm. Heh.

    Oh well. At least when magpul gets caught up i can use both. Im going to build out the handl lower so its just a push pin swapout to use both types of mags.
     
  15. locutus

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    The LMT is the choice of the Royal Marines. Their MilSpec demands that it be capable of engaging man sized targets at 800 meters with M80 Ball ammo! It's their "standard" designated marksman and "short" sniper rifle.
    Imagine what it will do with match grade ammo.:)

    I would avoid anything with a "piston." No point in adding extra parts, extra weight and disturbing the excellent balance of the platform.
     
  16. Sniper03

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    Might also look at the Rock River Arms LAR-08 Rifles. They also come standard with the 2 Stage National Match Trigger that RRA is noted for. I have a 16 inch Mid Length that will shoot 1 MOA Groups at 100 yards and their Varmint Rifles claims smaller groups. The 16 has been effective for deer hunting also.

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  17. samnev

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    Rock River Arms are the most accurate on AR 15 platform that I own. Which includes 2 Noveske's, LMT, POF, BCM and Colt. I do not think you would go wrong with one in 308.
     
  18. ArrizX

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    pretty much love my M&P 10
     
  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have the DPMS LR308-AP4, and love it. It's an accurate, rugged weapon.

    But it's not in the same category as the LMT or the Knight's Armament SR-25.

    LMT and Knight's are pretty much the "benchmark" for .308 AR platforms.
     
  20. BigJohn3282

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    Check out Black Rain Ordanance. They have a web site, and there on facebook. There the ones thst gave Army Master Sgt C J Grisham one of there ARs after the Cops took his while he was doing a 10 mile hike with his 13 year old son. The hike was for a merit bag for the Boy Scouts. His Son video tape it while his dad was getting arrested. You can watch the video on YouTube. Black Rain builds AR based wepons for longrange / Sniper competitions. Maybe they could build you one in .338 Lapua. That would hit hard at a 1000 Yards!