Ar-15 question

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by ar15noob, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. ar15noob

    ar15noob New Member

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    Hello...as you can tell from my user I am a noob when it comes to the ar-15 platform. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. What is best " clean" ammo as I hear it is a dirty platform? Is 223 rem better than 5.56 NATO? Sorry if this is mundane but look to you guys for some guidance. Thanks.
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    its no dirtier than any other centerfire. just depends on what parts you prefer spending more time cleaning. some people think that because the ar15 gas tube ejects gas into the receiver area its bad or worse than other designs. its not its just different. instead of having to grind the crud off a gas piston and oprod you get to clean the bolt and receiver area. still gotta clean the same amount of crud just different areas.

    556 and 223 differences can be confusing. do not fire 556 out of a barrel marked 223. you can fire 223 out of a 556. reason being is some but not all 556 can have thicker case walls increasing the pressure curve to dangerous levels in a 223 chamber.
     

  3. ar15noob

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    Thanks jonm. Much appreciated. Any particular "brand" of 223 or 556 you think is best. My locals suck and are not nice to noobs like me. Sad but true and I find myself having to go to forums for ANY help.
     
  4. purehavoc

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    For brands get a box of 3-4 different brands and see what runs thru it and what doesn't , if ur paying much more than $6.99 a box of 20 its to much . Also be sure to try steel case ammo and see if it will run . U shouldn't be paying much more than .$5.50 for a box of 20 on it either , I buy it ay Walmart if I'm in there for less than $5 a box
     
  5. mjkeat

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    Picked up some Wolf from Aimsurplus for roughly $3.75 per 20 2 or so weeks ago. Hoping to finish up the first half case this weekend. VA Edu Ben check hasn't arrived yet so shooting has been putt on the back burner for a couple weeks.
     
  6. sniper762

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    Wolf is the most fouling ammo you can purchase
     
  7. smoooth308

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    All I can say is like one of the other responses. DO NOT SHOOT 5.56 rounds out of a rifle that is designed for .223. military grade 5.56 rounds are a higher pressure round, where as the .223 is lower pressure. Even though they are the same round, they are completely different. An AR-15 designed to shoot 5.56 can shoot .223 all day, but if you shoot 5.56 through a rifle designed to shoot .223 your gonna have some major problems that can end up severely hurting or even killing you.

    But now that we have that covered, my AR-15 is one of my favorite firearms to shoot. Accurate, little recoil, and with all the aftermarket parts it's pretty much up too you on how you want it set up.

    Mine is chambered in 5.56 and if you start by making sure yours is as well, you will have no major problems. Mine is spikes tactical model and has worked like a charm since I got it. No FTF or FTE since I've purchased it and I've put almost 1500 rounds through it.

    Good luck bud and please post any more questions you might have...
     
  8. smoooth308

    smoooth308 New Member

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    Btw I shoot xm193 through mine. It's the same ammo they send to our troops over seas. And is meant to last through the harshest conditions
     
  9. treehugger49

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    Be advised that if you choose to shoot steel cased ammo, it may void your manufacturer's warranty.

    I'm not a high volume shooter, and, for the price difference, prefer to shoot brass-cased ammo.

    The M-193/M-855 military offerings are not as accurate as some factory loads as well, if that is a consideration for you.
     
  10. JonM

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    In a properly put together and functional ar15 with a chromed chamber steel cased ammo will work fine. Just remember steel cased ammo is very inconsistant in charge weights and bullet weights. Steel doesnt expand to seal the chamber as well as brass does and there is some blowback into the bolt area. This can cause fouling issues in extreme cases.

    Accuracy is dependent on the consistancy of the rounds and the individual rifle. The only way to know what works best accuracy and reliability wise is to buy small ammounts of whatever brand and get after it.

    In general its wise to start with a brand that is known to deliver the performance you want. I cant recomend a specific brand because i havent shot factory ammo in my ar15 rifles since the early 90's. I can make cheaper more accurate reloads than whats on the shelf.
     
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  11. JSDenson07

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    I run 6 different ar platforms the one in my profile pic is the one I just built. In order to figure out which ammo works best for your rifle worry more about accuracy and not necessarily cleanest. Try remington umc, winchrster white box, hornady(i like vmax), and pay attention to your twist rate ie1:9 or 1:10 this will determine the weight or bullet you wiSh to fire.
     
  12. TM3TenraiSS

    TM3TenraiSS New Member

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    i thought tul ammo was lol
     
  13. mjkeat

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    Just finished off 2500 rounds, 1500 Tula/1000 Wolf, w/ 3 issues (1 hard primers w/ Wolf and 2 failure to chamber w/ Tula HP). During this time the only maintenance performed was a single wipe-down and re-lube.
     
  14. JSDenson07

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    Tula and wolf are not real brands of ammo they are communist death traps.
     
  15. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    How so? ..
     
  16. JSDenson07

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    Dirty as all get out, steel cased, inconsistent power loads..in my opinion not worth it. Unless the gun is a mil-surp weapon ie mosin,sks, ak, etc. I would never run steel through it. The risk far outweighs the reward. I have seen receivers on guns gored due to a stoppage with steel ammo, including one of my own. when I was young, dumb and broke I bought what was cheapest a simple failure to eject left a deep gouge in my handgun (9mm 115gr tula if memory serves). Take it from me shoot brass doubt risk it.
     
  17. Misfire

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    Besides that, the Russian made steel cased ammo like Tula exhibits horrible quality control. Relatively high number of squibs. Our range has seen more than one gun go to pieces after a squib left a bullet in the barrel. I figure if I can afford an AR-15, I can afford to run decent ammo in it.

    Also, the Russian ammo has been going up in price and the price difference isn't as much as it used to be. I was buying 9mm at Wal Mart the other day and noticed that Tula 9mm were $9.95 for a box of 50. Federal Champion, in the 100 round value box are $19.95. Actually a few pennies cheaper then the Tula.
     
  18. mjkeat

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    What risks? I honestly want to know. I've ran over 500 rounds of Wolf through my ARs since this past Sat. w/o any issues. I just got home from the range and have plans to shoot more this coming Sat. I'll be pushing 700 or more this week. Daniel Defense, BCM, and LWRC. Hell the LWRC is probably puching $3.5k and I don't flench putting Tula, Wolf or anything through it.

    I can't really talk on handguns, I only shoot them when I have to, plus the title of the thread is "Ar-15 questions."

    I don't really ever shoot past 100 yds., really no reason for it anymore, and don't see much of a difference b/w Tula/Wolf and XM193 (the 3 I use most). It's been consistant for me to date.

    How many is relatively high numbers of squibs? Slight over exhageration? I personally have heard of just a handfull of squibs that have cause a KB and if I'm not mistaken they were all using some sort of brass cased factory ammunition.

    Maybe I'm just somehow super lucky. I guess YMMV. But most of the hard use, high round count guys (1k+ in a weekend) write about using Wolf for training. Can't be to bad.

    99% of steel case gets it's bad reputation from outdated information, poorly manufactured ARs, and wife's tales.

    Can't really comment on steel case through handguns.
     
  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Steel case works just fine in handguns. I've used a ton of it in my Glocks, SIGs and Beretta.
     
  20. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

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    m&p9?.....