AR-15 Muzzle Break ?'s

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by GillyTheKid, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. GillyTheKid

    GillyTheKid New Member

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    Hey guys, I have a question to ask and i am new to the forum world. I recently bought a STAG-15 when i got out of the Marine Corps and came back to New Jersey. I knew that NJ had there own set of gun laws when it came to the AR15 and making it legal. I went to a "gun smith" and had him pin my collapsable butt stock, take off the Bayonet lug, and replace the compensator with a muzzle break. I was very anxious to get my new rifle back so i could put some rounds down range again. When i picked up my AR the store was very cramped and filled with people so there was not very much room to look over the rifle since the shop is very small. When i got home i was very disappointed to find the quality of work that was put into my AR. Not only was the barrel all jacked up from what looked like a grinder hitting it in a few spots but the weld job was ****ty and he actually welded the bottom half of the muzzle break to the barrel. I went back and talked the the guy and told him i was very disappointed with the work he had done and that there was no need for all of the weld. he said that he would fix it but i do not think that he will be able to do so. So I'm trying to find out where i can find the requirements to show this butcher that the muzzle break doesnt need to be welded to the barrel and in fact the hole where the pin goes is the only thing that needs to be welded in hope that he might give me a new barrel.

    Thanks S/F
     

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  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Welcome to FTF. Whether your state requires the weld or not that is some bs work and he owes you a new barrel. What did he charge?
     

  3. GillyTheKid

    GillyTheKid New Member

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    he charged me $140 to pin the buttstock, remove the bayonet lug, and the compensator.. there are some more marks on the barrel as well from the grinder.. i figured id let him attempt to fix it, im supposed to pick it up monday and if i dont like it ill be asking for a new barrel. there are already rust spots on it
     
  4. mountainman13

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    Atleast his price wasn't too bad. He may be able to clean it up a bit and spot black the area. I hope its on straight and he didn't really damage the barrel.
     
  5. GillyTheKid

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  6. JonM

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    in my opinion that barrel is ruined. that much heat ruins the temper of steel. he definately owes you a new barrel.

    i would NOT let him work on any gun of mine ever.
     
  7. drvsafe

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    First things first, thank you for your service and welcome to the FTF!!! :)

    The requirement is that it be permanently affixed, usually that means pinned and welded. I'm a bit surprised at the shoddy job though. Most of the time you can't even see the weld, mine came permanently attached from the manufacturer (PWS), but still... That work looks like it was done by an amateur.

    I would wait and see how he plans on remedying the situation, but barring a completely perfect result, I would request that he replace the barrel and muzzle break and that you consider a real gunsmith. PM me, I'm in NJ as well and can help point you in the right direction.
     
  8. drvsafe

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    I would also get Stag involved and have them give you an opinion on the condition of the barrel, cuz he MAY have ruined it and made it hazardous to fire.
     
  9. GillyTheKid

    GillyTheKid New Member

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    thank you drvsafe.. good advice. i will contact stag tomorrow.
     
  10. AgentTikki

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    Stag has a pretty generous warranty.

    I concur with Drvsafe. Call up Stag.

    Stay away from that hack job. That has got to be the ugliest pin/weld job, ever.
     
  11. mountainman13

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    I'm still amazed by this. That's worse than the very first time I tried to weld aluminum (not easy) and you can bet your a$$ it wasn't on someone else's AR.
     
  12. EW1066

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    This would be the minimum acceptable quality. Not an image of the best I could find but the minimum I would accept. If you use this as the "minimum acceptable standard", that guy DESTROYED your rifle. I suspect , based on the fact that he felt that was acceptable work, that he will not replace the barrel unless you take him to court.

    IF he replaces the barrel, just send it to ADCO and have them do the pinning. You will barely be able to see the weld.

    Good luck

    EDUB
     

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  13. moneymaker17

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    I can do a better weld with a harbor freight mig and my eyes closed...

    Thats horrible
     
  14. purehavoc

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    I intend on doing my own once I figure out what compensator I going to put on it and it will not look like that . I plan on drilling and pinning it and a nice small TIG weld to the pin to comp. All I gotta say is that looks terrible and I would not recommend that shop or smith to anyone . That is going to have to either be cut off and rethreaded or a new barrel if it needs to get you to the legal barrel length . How long is that barrel ?
     
  15. drvsafe

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    Stag sells an NJ compliant rifle maybe that can assist if they replace it, in doing the right job for you.
     
  16. bkt

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    That's not as nice as the pinning-job on my Stag. I'm pretty sure both New York and New Jersey have very similar laws on this issue: barrel must either have nothing on the end (no threads) or have a muzzle break (not a flash hider - those are evil, apparently) pinned and silver-soldered to 1500 degrees.

    What that 'smith did was ruin your barrel. Demand a replacement for what you have. Then, take it and your rifle to a gunsmith who cares about the quality of work he does and have them fit the new barrel and pin your muzzle break properly.
     
  17. drvsafe

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    No doubt I agree 100%.
     
  18. drvsafe

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    Here's a shot of the job on my PWS.

    Clean.
     

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  19. EW1066

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    I live in the free state of Texas where pinning muzzle devices is not necessary on any barrel over 16 inches. I found that picture and many others in a google search. It is not a picture of the best pinning job I could find. But I felt that, something like that, I would find "acceptable" as a minimum standard. If a gunsmith handed me that (the picture I posted) I would accept it and pay the man. What was done to the OPs gun was butchery at best and ham handed incompetence at worst. For a gunsmith to live in a state that requires pinning and welding of all muzzle devices to display of that level of ineptitude is simply unacceptable. That clown should not call himself a gunsmith. He needs throw away the gunsmithing DVDs he got and go to a real gunsmith school.

    EDUB
     
  20. Tenderribbs

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    Dude that's the worst job I have ever seen I would of been pissed! Take it back