AR-15 Build Advice

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Mainer756, Jan 18, 2009.

  1. Mainer756

    Mainer756 New Member

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    Hey everyone, I stumbled upon your forum while doing some research on building my first AR-15. I know there is plenty of posts about this asking for help, which I have been reading, but I have a question of opinion on a particular site that I found that sells kits for AR-15 builds. They put everything in a kit, minus the lower of course, and sell it. I was wondering if there prices were fair for what they are selling, because I'm new to this I really don't know. I'm really excited to get working on this, but I do want to take the time to get my research down before I start, and to get the right price because money is tight lately. Anyway, here is the site that I mentioned, you can click on the various kits that they offer. I am particularly interested in the "20" HBAR Rifle Kit" and the "Lightweight Rifle Kit". What do you guys think? Thanks for any help guys, I appreciate it!

    M-16 and AR-15 Rifle kit Parts From Military manufacturers

    Nathan
     
  2. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    What is it that you expect the rifle to do for you? Most people can do what they want with a 16" carbine, as it offers the highest level of versatility and will accurately deliver lead out past 300 meters.

    As far as that site goes, I've never used them, nor do I know of anyone who has. Their basic packages seem like okay deals, but prices seem to go up pretty rapidly as you start to add mall ninja type goodies.

    I'd shop around too see of you couldn't piece together your own rifle for less. Seems to me that you should be able to save $100 or so by DIYing the shopping.
     

  3. Mainer756

    Mainer756 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply! I pretty much want to rifle for accurate shooting at the range, and as a defensive carbine, so 300 meters would be fine for my purposes I suppose. I certainly will shop around, I just like the convenience of the kits that they offer. And yes, I did notice that the "bells and whistles" do really increase the price quite a bit as you go. I plan on assembling a very basic and simple rifle to start with, and adding more advanced options down the road.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Okay, I am no expert, nor do I play one on line. :D

    I have never dealt with the AR-Parts-Kit-Incorporated that you linked. One thing I noticed is that while their prices go up as you add options, their prices on the upgrades are not THAT bad given the kit.

    For example:

    YHM CAR solid 4 Rail forearm tube (+$114.00)

    Most of the 4 rail systems from Yankee Hill Machine run in excess $130 dollars, plus shipping, plus you have to install them yourself. So in that instance, you are getting a deal.

    With Badger GEN 2 Tactical Latch (+$20.50)

    Badger Ord makes one of the best tactical charging handles for AR's in my opinion and it's going to cost you $20 plus shipping to get one, so this isn't a bad deal.

    Magpul CTR Stock add (+$99.00)

    Great unit: It's going to cost you $90-$100 plus shipping IF you can find it in stock anywhere, plus you need the tool to install it correctly - so you make the call.

    So, I don't know if they are giving you the same quality, correctly assembled, correctly timed, correctly headspaces unit that we would give you from our shop - but they aren't outright gouging you either...

    So, take that information for what it's worth. Building your own is ALWAYS the best way to go, even in these trying times....

    JD
     
  5. Mainer756

    Mainer756 New Member

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    Thanks for your two cents Dillinger. I've got plenty of time to figure what exactly I want, but I think I'd be better off saving as much money as possible to get exactly what I want in the rifle I intend on building, rather than just going ahead with some basic package that some site offers. I definitely want to deal with a retailer that offers quality products, so again, taking my time is probably the way to go.
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, that is probably the responsible choice. There are a couple of great threads done by our existing members, and I am here if you need semi pro help ( :D ) so feel free to post as you progress...

    JD
     
  7. junho806

    junho806 New Member

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    like mine!
    haha
    keep us posted and keep asking those questions
    :D
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I really have no idea what I'm talking about. I spent quite a few years using the AR platform in a professional manner and as such, I despise them.

    JD on the other hand, knows his stuff pretty well from what I've seen.
     
  9. Mainer756

    Mainer756 New Member

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    Haha, alright guys, I'll be sure to ask for help when I need it, thanks a lot! :D
     
  10. Dick Manley

    Dick Manley New Member

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    To the OP.
    Make sure the barrel steel is 4150, the bbl, bcg is MPI and HPT tested (denoted by a HP,MP stamp) and that if you are going to go with a 16" upper that the bolt has a five coil extractor spring, black insert and "o" ring around the spring. Also make sure that the Chamber is 556 Nato.

    -DM-
     
  11. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Just out of curiousity....what if an upper did not have all of that in it? Would it be any less of a gun, would it self destruct, would it not be that talk of the range, I don't understand.

    Not everyone who buys an AR will be going to war with it, and most will not be using it in their line of work, tools of the trade. I realize for those who do, those specs might be things that have proven more reliable - or less problematic for some pieces out there, but are hardly the 'requirements' for a good gun.

    To the original poster, I have put kits together from several companies, but I can't say that I have tried anything from the one you listed. I did look at their site and their prices seem to be in line with a few of the others out there. So basically it comes down to finding a kit that will suit your needs and the depth of your wallet. Also you might want to inquire about shipping times, as most of the companies out there are backed up quite a bit, some out to 6 months. So you may want to keep that in mind, too.

    Another option is to keep an eye out for some of the companies that have complete uppers, complete lowers, etc. I know, it's not a kit, but if you want one sooner than later, that might be the way to go. One that I have had great luck with, even during this time of craziness, has been these folks:

    PK link


    One thing I do like about them, they have been great with customer service, excellent shipping times, and what they show on their site - they have in stock. So you never find yourself getting excited about something and ordering it, only to find that you are looking at a 4-6 month wait, and oh...they forgot to tell you that they already charged your card. No, I don't work for them, but I will highly recommend them to anyone.

    Another one is:

    ar15sales.com

    Pete is great to deal with. Hint...know what you are looking for if you call or email him, as he is very busy. And know that because of all the business he gets, shipping could be a wait. But like PK, his service is excellent, and his prices are hard to beat.

    Hope this helps.

    Slo
     
  12. Mainer756

    Mainer756 New Member

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    Thank you very much slowryde45, that information was very useful, I'll be sure to look into those sites you listed there. I actually found out recently that there is a Bushmaster retail outlet thirty minutes away from my house, so I plan on swinging by there and checking out what they are charging for parts. I think if anything I will purchase the lower from them and piece the rest of the kit as I go, although I am wary to wait too long just in case there is some kind of ban.
     
  13. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    You are welcome, glad to help. Sounds like you are in an ideal location there with Bushmaster being so close. Although some will bash them, I have never had any issues with any Bushmaster product. But I'm sure there will be a few who will cite all the problems they have had, but at what percentage of the total production? Those are the ones who have read somewhere about some guy who knew someone else, who heard it from a super reliable but unverifiable source, etc, etc.

    Sounds like you have it all planned out. Doing it that way, you get to decide on what products you want in it, and the biggest plus...you get to learn how to put it together and take it apart. That way, should you ever have a problem, you can fix it yourself, and you also know what it will take to upgrade components as you go along. ;)

    By the way, the second link I gave you, to ar15sales.com, their company - Legal Transfers - is located right up there in your neck of the woods, too - in New Hampshire. So you have another source, close to home.

    Good luck on your new hobby and keep us informed on how things are going.

    Slo
     
  14. outlawcustoms

    outlawcustoms New Member

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    Look around and build your own. you will have to buy the tools but after you build one you will need them again trust me.