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I saw this at teh local gun store and noticed it was a reduced recoil load featuring 8 pellets of 00 buck with a "VersaTite" wad. Wondering how well it compares to Federal Flite Control in patterning. I can't seem to find the Federal 00 or new #1 Buck loads anyhwere locally.

The stuff I'm seeing on the Federal #1 Buck Flight Control patterning looks pretty amazing.
 

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The versa tight wad is a Flightcontrol wad, relabeled.
 

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Cool, they say Federal patterns a little tighter…maybe the pellets are harder, I have never done a side by side with those two.
 

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For the distances involved in most defensive shotgun use, any 00B is critical defense. In the same room with you, bird shot is critical defense. The shooter's skill is far more important than the load.
 

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I tried both the critical defense and a regular remington 2.75" 00 side by side at 25 yards in an unchoked gun to see the difference.The remington hit 6 of 9 pellets on my 30" paper and the ones that did hit were about in a 24" pattern.The hornady hit all 8 of 8 pellets on paper,most were in a 12" group but it had a couple flyers at 24".
 

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How many pellets does the #1 buck have?
#1 buck load has 15 pellets. It increases frontal surface area of a permanent wound channel by up to 77 percent over 00 buck and still meets minimum FBI penetration standards.
 

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For the distances involved in most defensive shotgun use, any 00B is critical defense. In the same room with you, bird shot is critical defense. The shooter's skill is far more important than the load.
Specifically asking about Hornady Critical Defense line of ammo. Not all shotgun loads are created equal even at HD distances. Bird shot is not reliable enough across many variables.
 

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this is how it starts.
 

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I've put Federal Critical Defense in my 870 recently, but I haven't fired any yet. Regarding bird shot. Not my first or second choice, but if that's all I've got, that's what's going down range, and in close quarters, like a house, I wouldn't want to be at the recieving end. MHO you understand.
 

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I've put Federal Critical Defense in my 870 recently, but I haven't fired any yet. Regarding bird shot. Not my first or second choice, but if that's all I've got, that's what's going down range, and in close quarters, like a house, I wouldn't want to be at the recieving end. MHO you understand.
I get it. It is better than a pointy stick. But if I'm picking ahead of time what's going to be in the gun, birdshot isn't it.

This cop is probably not happy that he got shot but is probably pleased it was with bird shot and not buck or slugs. (Birdshot does not act like a slug at close to contact distance).

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=174449

Not saying it can't be deadly, just that it's not predictable.
 
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