Anyone Still Like the Short Mags?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cottontop, Apr 17, 2013.

  1. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    I am referring to the various WSM cartridges of various calibers. I read the article about them in the April Rifle magazine as I assume many of you have also. When they came out in the early 90's I had my doubts. I just could not get interested, yet one of my friends thought they were the greatest thing since the proverbial sliced bread. They sure didn't last long and I am not surprised. When cartridges that have been around for over 100 years like the .30-06, 7x57, 8x57, and etc. can and still do it all, it's no wonder that the short mags failed to catch on. To me, they don't even look condusive to reloading and now, that may be the only way to keep one of them shooting. What were rifle and cartridge makers thinking? Just a classic example of you can't reinvent the wheel and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, if you have one and like it, more power to you.
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  2. kalboy26

    kalboy26 New Member

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    I absolutely love my 300wsm. Very accurate and works like a charm. Can really reach out there if I need to as well.
     

  3. Apex-Predator

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    Who said they have not caught on? I love my 270 WSM and know several other people who use them as well. They reload just fine, brass is thick and a little stiff FL resizing but other then then I have no gripe. The 270 WSM is very similar to my 7mm Rem Mags in terms of speed and power, just a little less recoil even with the same weight bullets and I have been able to get my WSM grouping a little tighter then any of my 7mms.
    I like them my next 300 mag will be a short mag.
     
  4. highpowerguy

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    My next rifle build is going to be a 7mm wsm on a custom receiver you can't beat them at 1000 yards without developing a masochistic streak. Sure the ballistics on a 300 win mag look better on paper but getting single digit standard deviation out of them is a pain and at long ranges consistency is the key. I have two close friends who bought 300 wsm tikka rifles and they have both been thrilled with them. I was so impressed that I bought a Tikka in 7 mm. And I have regretted not getting the short mag since my first trip to the range.
     
  5. Salvo

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    On the Winchester short magnums, the case is optimized for 30 caliber.

    The further you go away from 30 caliber with that case, the less efficient it is.

    The single most serious problem associated with the short magnums is that many gun makers chamber them in barrels that are either too short, or way too short.

    Twenty-four inches should be the minimum there, and twenty-six inches would be much better. Since most short magnum rifles are manufactured with barrels of minimum size or less, they are louder and less efficient than they could - and should be.

    A lot of this stems from gun-writers who should know better, touting the short magnums as the perfect match for "compact" rifles - just because they can be shoe-horned into short actions.

    Put a compact magnum in a regular action so that the heavier bullets associated with long range shooting and big game can be seated out, then use a 26" barrel - and you've got something good.

    But none of the manufacturers do that.

    Duh.
     
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  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    the only "short" magnum im interested in is the 458 winchester magnum. technically not a 90's wsm but its short compaired to the nitro express cartridges it is duplicating.
     
  7. highpowerguy

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    I'd say firing bullets with ballistic coefficients between .580 and .625 at 3000 fps is pretty darn efficient. Now if I was looking at energy in ft/lbs I would agree wholeheartedly. However I'm looking to print holes in paper not knock down a moose. I suppose efficiency would at some level be a matter of perspective.
     
  8. mdauben

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    I admit, I'm one of those who never really saw the point of the short magnums. For the most part they seemed to me to be more or less duplicating the performance of existing cartridges.

    That said, while they never attained the level of popularity of the 7mm or .300 magnums I don't think they have really died and they still seem to have a small but dedicated following.
     
  9. highpowerguy

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    They usually fall a little short of full magnum performance but they are a heck of a lot easier to make consistent. I have seen WITH MY OWN EYES a 300 wsm shoot ten shots through my chrono with a 7 fps deviation from the fastest to the slowest bullet. That level of precision is staggering coming from a hunting rifle and it has made me a believer.
     
  10. kalboy26

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    People always say they fall short of the regular magnums, but a friend of mine and I used a crono to compare his 300 wm to my 300wsm and they were almost identical up to a 210 grain bullet. I realize there are lots of variables, but I think the difference is minimal, especially for what you gain in my opinion.
     
  11. Apex-Predator

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    In terms of performance the 300 WSM is at leased within 100 fps with 150-200gr bullets, published load data has them at a dead heat.
    The 270 WSM is hot on the heels of the 270 Wby some data has them neck and neck.
    The 7mm WSM matches the 7mm Rem Mag across the board, I doubt you would ever see a difference in performance, and last but not least the 325 WSM is a ballistic twin to the 8mm Rem Mag they are as close as any two cartridges can be.

    The short mag design has alot of advantages in terms of consistency and efficiency, I don't think they are going away any time soon, mine sure is not going anywhere. Flattest shooting deer rifle around, I got mine shooting a flatter trajectory then a 257 Wby or 264 Win Mag.
     
  12. jpattersonnh

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    There is dislike for belted magnums, short magnums, Super short magnums. Now a WSSM I can see the reason. I have no issue w/ any really. I like my old belted 7mm Rem mag. Others think it is a dinosaur, don't care. I would like a STW.
     
  13. monroe45CAL

    monroe45CAL New Member

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    I have both 7mm short mag and 300 win short mag both identical browning a-bolts excellent rounds.
     
  14. Tingstad

    Tingstad New Member

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    7mm short mag is a stupid caliber, 270, 300 and 325 shorty I like
     
  15. monroe45CAL

    monroe45CAL New Member

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    Its actually not have you owned 1?
     
  16. hmh

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    .270wsm will put 3 shot ragged holes @100yds as long as you let the barrel cool between rounds.
     

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    The man says he likes the caliber, you Dog it on your 6th post. No class. Now it is your turn.
    He has most likely ever shot a 7mm of any sort. I find it funny he likes a .270, that is one round I just see no purpose to. The .325 attemped to replicate the 8mm Rem Mag. Maybe he dislikes metrics, but call them a standard designation, he is all over it. Call it a .280 WSM, still a 7mm.
     
  18. nicklarimore

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    I love my savage 7mm wsm

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  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    the short mags have a following for sure. i see what they wre trying to achieve with them. but IMO, if you already have some of the standard chamberings, i see not a huge advantage in going that route. nothing wrong with them IMO, but i wouldnt go out and replace the rifles i already have with short mags. now if i was starting from scratch, i might see an advantage. IMO, short mags are really more for a shooter who reloads.

    even used in my area, i very ever see any rifles chambers in any of the short mags. if i was looking to buy another rifle to tinker with and shoot, and i ran across a short mag, and if the price was right, i'd buy it for sure. and i would probably enjoy shooting and reloading for it just all my others.