Anyone heard of these?

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by zhuk, Aug 13, 2009.

  1. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    I know it's going to be a year on a probationary licence before I can even apply to acquire a handgun, but I wanted to know if anyone has heared of Baikals? Apparently manufactured by Izhmash - and we all know what they make!

    [and no I don't mean Moskvitchs lol]


    Ticks all the necessary boxes so far:

    * 10 round magazine capacity (yes, that's all we are allowed)
    * approved by IPSC
    * Interchangeable mag release, for the benefit of us leftys

    At $850 it's more than 100 bucks less than the Glocks which annoy me so much...

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    oh yeah, being Russian I know it would piss off my Colt/Browning-loving self defence instructor so much. And that's gotta count lol


    On one other note: Going to a gun expo this weekend; luckily it is being held in Sydney this time. Usually about 4 gun shows are held nationwide every year...one each in the 4 largest States.

    Hey can always watch, learn & drool if I can't purchase, right? :D
     
  2. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I don't know about Baikal pistols, but their shotguns are pretty good.

    Are you sure you wouldn't want an all steel pistol? Like a 1911? :D
     

  3. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    I don't know about their pistols either, But in the gun store where I work, we have a single shot .223 rifle made by them and imported by remington.
    Seems to be very well made.
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I have actually heard of them, but I have never shot one. You might want to check the metal content in that slide though, I am sure they are using some pretty rough stuff being smelted into shape. The tolerances might not be the best, but then again, look at the AK. That thing has horrible tolerances and will run in wet cement if you give it a chance.

    Is there a way you can shoot it prior to purchase?? I don't know how much $850 NZ is, but that seems like a lot of money for what I am sure is not a lot of gun....

    Keep us informed!

    JD
     
  5. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Welll, CA....I know the 1911 is close to your heart :D

    But just thinking that it might be a bit pricey for a first gun. Since a new Glock 17 would be about $1100...well you can imagine :eek:

    The cheapest Taurus I've been able to find is 1400 bucks...and that's in 38 Super. I'm not sure but I think for the first gun you are restricted to 9mm only. (Oh no, that's not right...if you can't wait a year to purchase, after the first 6 months you can have a .22LR lol)

    Then you have to factor in another 300 for a pistol safe as well. I'm just checking things out atm...there's a long road ahead until the possibility of ownership!


    Hmmm, probably won't be able to shoot anything before purchase...it doesn't work like that here. You have to stipulate on your 'permit to acquire' form which gun you plan to get, before you send it in to the Firearms Registry for approval. The Baikal is being sold through a Victorian dealer, so that's in another State altogether! You want to buy interstate, you have to get it transferred to a local dealer.

    And there are relatively few shops which sell pistols anyway, due to the fact that self-defence is not allowed so target shooters are a pretty small market. In fact, pistols were illegal in Australia until the 1950s when they were legalised for sport only (were first prohibited from the '20s onwards, due to panic over the Bolshevik Revolution - that fact has always made me lol)

    Way more gun shops stock rifles, since they are far more widely used...farmers, hunters etc not only target shooters.

    $A850 is about $US720, for reference. Oh, and it might be hard to tell us apart :p but our currency is worth a LIL more than the NZ dollar...just, lol


    Thanks for the feedback, guys!
     
  6. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Well, it looks pretty good. If it can work for you, then alright. I thought CA's gun laws sucked, but man you've got it bad. :mad:
     
  7. Franciscomv

    Franciscomv New Member

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    Zhuk, a friend of mine tested and reviewed one of these for a Spanish magazine. He liked it quite a lot and was planning on using it for IPSC.

    Basically his conclusions were that it's a realible, tough gun, albeit a bit roughly finished. It was shipped in a cardboard box and the gun was wrapped in paper. No fancy cases here.

    The only real problem he had was that the pistol hit low, since the front sight is part of the slide (it's not dovetailed) he had to file it down a bit.

    Here's the article (in Spanish): Prueba exclusiva pistola Baikal Viking MP-446: La “revolución rusa” | Armas - Revista Armas | Reportajes de armas cortas, rifles, armamento policial/militar, armas blancas, competiciones
     
  8. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Indeed we do, CA...

    On the upside, that's a thought those in California can take to bed to keep them warm at night :p


    Hey really appreciate that info, Franciscomv! Very kind of ya.

    Not surprised on the rough finish you mention, since it IS Russian after all lol


    Going to have to look into it further...I have a year up my sleeve to make a choice anyway. But you might guess how I'm kinda...well patience has never been one of my strong suits really :D
     
  9. WILDCATT

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    russian

    the russians have made good firearm before this country.look at the nagant
    in 1891 an we had trapdoors then the krag.:rolleyes::D
     
  10. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Amazingly, there was one of these at the gun show I went to yesterday. I found the action a bit stiff and a lil uh, gritty somehow, but that might well work in with time. The dealer said the Russians do tend to over-engineer stuff :p but it felt nice & solid...surprisingly heavy for a polymer. Glocks could be plastic toy guns by comparison lol

    It's 900 bucks, so that's something to think about...and I only had to wade thru endless .22LRs & air pistols to hunt out the 9mms lol. Also found a small selection of highly dubious 'black & scary' tacticooled-looking bolt action rifles...and you rarely see anything like that here. Took the guy about 18 months to get em through Customs, apparently :rolleyes:
     
  11. tekarra

    tekarra New Member

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    I found the pistol on Worldguns.ru - worldguns Resources and Information. and a couple of Spanish web sites. Looks very interesting. Being Russian, it will be robust, the finish may be a bit crude, but in all likelihood it will be a reliable shooter.
     
  12. AsmelEduardo

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    I shoted one, it's ruged and reliable as hell (it will shot even AAA bateries)... I like the grip, the weight (in here you can find it with 15+1 magazines), it's economical (no frills, no bells and whistles), The one I shooted had fixed sights... What I dislike? The only things I dislike of the Viking is the finish, and that you can't find absolute any accesories/holster/magazines/parts for that guns(at least in Venezuela)...
     
  13. zhuk

    zhuk New Member

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    Thanks for that info, AsmelEduardo :)

    Yeah the finish was rough-ish...but maybe we're just used to the greater finishing of other guns - nothing against this one as to how it might actually shoot etc. The lack of obtainable holster/extra mags might be more of a problem though...you really need min 4 or 5 mags for IPSC.

    Gonna keep it in mind though. Planning to try as many pistols as I can get my hands on during the next year.