Anyone have pro gun statistics?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by canyon289, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. canyon289

    canyon289 New Member

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    I need help convincing my dad that firearms are really not dangerous IF utilized correctly and/or it's probably a lot safer to know how to use a firearm if the situation ever arises.

    My dad is an engineer and can't argue with facts and figures. What pro gun statistics do you guys know of? I'm hoping if I can show to him that gun owners are safer he'll at least not kick me out for my purchase.

    Quick Background:
    I live at home with my staunchly anti gun father. I've always been interested in guns but was never able to obtain one because of age laws and lack of money until recently.

    Last Friday I decided enough was enough, so I went to my local shop and bought a 10/22 Takedown. It's still at the shop due to the CA the ten day waiting period. Yet in one of the most spectacular examples of mistimings ever my dad finds out I bought a gun, and then hears about the Colorado shooting 20 minutes later.

    My interest in firearms lies in their use as a tool and the concentration and skill needed to shoot. Even if I don't own a gun I think it's VERY important to know how to use them effectively, safely, and properly. After all they're just tools and knowledge is power.

    Aside from that I very much so like the practice of target shooting. Aiming (consistently) requires a lot of focus, concentration and discipline and I really enjoy practicing those skills.
     
  2. Zombiegirl

    Zombiegirl New Member

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    I just browsed some .gov sites and they all say the leading cause of death by a firearm is suicide. I found one that said only .03 percent of people with a CCW license lost it due to a crime. The problem with finding good statistics for your argument is that the data for gun related crimes is not separated into self defense or legal vs. Illegally owned guns. I wish you the best of luck!
     

  3. kycol

    kycol New Member

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    That's just what these ant-gun dummies don't get, those who get a ccw are law abiding. And the criminals don't give a damn about laws, and more laws aren't going to change that.
     
  4. gmaster456

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    Also, watch out for the term "gun related homcides" or something similar, as that number also includes justifiable homicides such as self defense shootings resulting in the death of the assailant. I think that was already covered though.

    Congrats on the gun, welcome to the sport, and good luck!
     
  5. CourtJester

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  8. cottontop

    cottontop Guest

    Is it possible that you could keep the gun at a friend or relative's house? If you are living with your Dad and it is your Dad's house, then you should respect his wishes and not keep anything at his house that he doesn's want there, be it a motorcycle, a pet, or even a gun. As far as using statistics to change his mind, I doubt that they will work. Once men your Dad's age have a certain mind set, it is difficult, if not impossible for them to change. I would hate to see you lose the gun, but that might be better than alienating your father. You only have your parents for a little while. My Dad passed away while I was still a young man. Work hard at getting your own place, then you can keep whatever you want.
    cottontop
     
  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Have to agree with Cottontop. More folks die from falling in bathtubs, but that is not what counts here- His house, his rules. Until you can say MY house, MY rules.......... While I obviously have different views from your Dad on guns, if you are living under his roof, you live under his rules.
     
  10. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i have to agree with C3 and Cottontop on this, as it is his house and though i disagree with his philosophy, i do respect the fact it's his house and he is allowed to set the rules. i am not against you using facts and figures to support your position and wholeheartedly support you trying to convince your father from a logical and fact based stance on guns and gun owners. but please respect your fathers wishes and remember, you have plenty of time for guns in your own place, if he doesn't change his position on the matter, but you only have one father. i do wish you luck though.
     
  11. kycol

    kycol New Member

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    Ditto......................
     
  12. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    My parents are in their 80's and have long been anti-gun to the degree that as kids we were prohibited from having any type of toy guns, and our friends had to leave their toy guns outside when entering our house. I am in my late 40's. I bought my first gun (a Marlin Model 60- still have it) when I was 17 or so and never told them about it. Got my second one, a Mossberg 500 (still have it) shortly after. Never told them.

    Having told you that, I agree. Dad's house, his rules. Respect them. In the meantime you can work on changing his mind, but don't expect results on that anytime soon. I have been working on my parents for all of my adult life, and it has worked. My dad has brought my nieces and nephews to me to train on firearms safety and shooting (see the thread I started http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f66/new-shooters-68500/ ) Today we visited them and talked about guns, concealed carry, the Colorado shooting and a whole host of other gun topics. My nieces are actually talking about getting into shooting at home in Washington.

    My mom (mom and dad are long ago divorced) has been after me for awhile now to take her out to the range.

    Your dad may change. He may one day respect you and why you have decided to take up firearms. But it can and probably will take time. It took me thirty years. Of course I started on them later than you did.

    What part of CA are you from?
     
  13. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    I quoted all of the above as they say it better than i could...dads house, dads rules. Please be respectful of his wishes and his home.

    Debate with the old man, if hes an engineer, he should be able to be overcome with facts. Never yell, never get mad. Study the subject well, the facts, figures and all reason are in favor of gun ownership.

    Then, after reading the sources listed, when you have defeated all the lame excuses for his anti gun stance....take him to the range and start with basic safety and marksmanship.

    Most (most,not all) anti-gunners are just ignorant....they just havent been exposed to the safe, common sense handling of firearms and the joy of marksmanship.

    Good luck in your journey of education. ;):D
     
  14. canyon289

    canyon289 New Member

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    Thank you so much for the input guys. I was going to hide it but what I'll do instead is store it at a friends house. It's unfortunate that my dad isn't ok with this and it's going to make shooting a lot more annoying (more driving to get my firearm) but it's the best I can do.

    Thank you again for the advice!

    I'm from Orange County Vikingdad
     
  15. vincent

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    An anti-gun position is based on emotion, not facts. If your dad is as logical as you say, then he should be open to "experience". Even engineers find it hard to debate or defend a situation that he/she has not personally had any experience with! Usually, their training and instincts are to find out for themselves.

    Invite him to the range with you. Initially, he will probably decline. BUT, keep asking him. My bet is that he will be interested in seeing how you can safely handle and shoot your rifle.

    PS: A BIG CAUTION - If he accepts, this maybe your one and only shot (pun) at this! I suggest you take a hunter safety course and any other firearm safety training to get prepared. Ask him to attend, too. He may decline, but you will be letting him know how commented you are to firearm safety.
     
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  17. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I was just thinking that at the range where I frequently shoot there are a lot of older members, many of whom are engineers, who would be more than happy to have you and your father as guests in order to present to him a friendly, approachable and reasonable face as to who gun owners are. I am guessing that your father is probably in his late 40's or maybe 50's? Find some people his age to introduce him to. All too often a father will be reluctant to have his young son introduce him to something, like guns, that he has always thought to be "evil" in some way. Bringing in somebody else (maybe even somebody he already knows) might be the ticket.

    By the way, I am in the SF Bay Area.
     
  18. jimogden1984

    jimogden1984 New Member

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    Is there a reason your dad doesn't like guns? Is it lack of experience or an experience from his past that has put a fear in him...my dad doesn't think anyone should have a gun except to hunt. He won't say why but I think there's something in his past that has put a bad taste in his mouth about it. He hates that I cc and I can't get him to talk about why he doesn't like it. I even got mom to go to the range with me once and she was extremely against it. She's starting to open her eyes and see that the worlds not that safe of a place anymore. Dads set in his ways and refuses to listen to reason. Good luck talkin to your dad, I hope he becomes a lil more open minded than mine.
     
  19. canyon289

    canyon289 New Member

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    Not sure, my dad is relatively closed about his past life. After some initial tension he's lightened up about my purchase and now calmly, almost jokingly, asks me to not to bring it in the house.

    I think a big part of it is he's getting used to the fact that I'm growing up and making my own decisions. I'm really glad he's being more understanding about it though and I honestly appreciate the advice I got here. I was going to hide it in the house but you guys convinced me otherwise.