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I saw the movie, In the Line of Fire, recently, and the villain makes his own little gun in the movie.
Have you ever done this or know anyone who has?
Have you ever done this or know anyone who has?
Anyone ever made their own gun?
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Didn't see the movie, don't know what sort of firearm was depicted, would never admit to building one or incriminating anyone I don't know of who never did any such thing to the extent of my non-existent knowledge of nothing that never happened. Building anything that BATFE defines as a firearm requires a manufacturer's license from BATFE, and it's a felony to build without it. I believe there are some exceptions for things like black powder cannons and so forth, but don't take my word for it, look at thier website.
That said, I think anybody with some elemental machine shop and sheet metal tools could build a serviceable submachine gun without much trouble. Most of the designs are very simple, and if you didn't have to build a barrel from scratch or wind your own springs, you could probably build a crude but functional gun in a well equipped auto shop. The Afghanis and Pakistanis have been building functional replicas of modern firearms with little more than hand tools and dung-fueled forges for decades.
That said, I think anybody with some elemental machine shop and sheet metal tools could build a serviceable submachine gun without much trouble. Most of the designs are very simple, and if you didn't have to build a barrel from scratch or wind your own springs, you could probably build a crude but functional gun in a well equipped auto shop. The Afghanis and Pakistanis have been building functional replicas of modern firearms with little more than hand tools and dung-fueled forges for decades.
Actually no...
You can build your own gun from parts, or from scratch WITHOUT a manufacturers license. What you CANT do is build a gun for sale to someone else - that takes a license because you're in business. There are a ton of single shot guns out there made from parts kits and cobbled together without serial numbers that are perfectly legal to own.
If you don't ever take the gun out of your home state you don't have to serialize it - however, the ATF requires that you affix a unique serial number to it if you wish to put it in the registry. There's a form for it at the ATF website - essentially you describe the gun and the proposed serial number, submit the form and receive approval. No license required.
You can build your own gun from parts, or from scratch WITHOUT a manufacturers license. What you CANT do is build a gun for sale to someone else - that takes a license because you're in business. There are a ton of single shot guns out there made from parts kits and cobbled together without serial numbers that are perfectly legal to own.
If you don't ever take the gun out of your home state you don't have to serialize it - however, the ATF requires that you affix a unique serial number to it if you wish to put it in the registry. There's a form for it at the ATF website - essentially you describe the gun and the proposed serial number, submit the form and receive approval. No license required.
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Well, there you have it from someone more knowledgeable than me... I'd still caution dealing with BATFE with the same respect due a rattlesnake...
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Been "rolling my own" for years. Of course, with the parts kits drying up, my builds these days are more oriented toward one-off "wonder how this would work out" designs. Latest is a 8x57 AK (yeah, call me nuts!)
So far have built (all semiauto):
AKs
DP28
MG42
1919A4
DShK
1911
AR15 - eh
probably some other stuff I can't recall.
Biggest thing to remember is to make DARN sure there is no way it can be "readily converted to fire full auto". And thats were I have the most fun. Any slob can reweld a receiver and chuck some parts in it - but it takes finesse to come up with a way to make sure full auto parts can in no way be used, and to come up with a way to make it fire from a closed bolt (if applicable).
So far have built (all semiauto):
AKs
DP28
MG42
1919A4
DShK
1911
AR15 - eh
probably some other stuff I can't recall.
Biggest thing to remember is to make DARN sure there is no way it can be "readily converted to fire full auto". And thats were I have the most fun. Any slob can reweld a receiver and chuck some parts in it - but it takes finesse to come up with a way to make sure full auto parts can in no way be used, and to come up with a way to make it fire from a closed bolt (if applicable).
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OK your nuts, but I still wanna see pics
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Totally and utterly Illegal here in Oztralia to pretty do anything thing, even pretty much own firearms!
Our government dosnt trust us....the way the have been acting lately.....I dont blame them!
As a primary producer (farmer) i am allowed to have rifles and shot guns, but I am limited to types and calibres. I could justifiy semi auto 22 and a five shot pump 12 Gauge, but its pointless because of the hoops I would have to jump through!
Our government dosnt trust us....the way the have been acting lately.....I dont blame them!
As a primary producer (farmer) i am allowed to have rifles and shot guns, but I am limited to types and calibres. I could justifiy semi auto 22 and a five shot pump 12 Gauge, but its pointless because of the hoops I would have to jump through!
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My dad has made a .62 caliber smoothbore muzzleloader. It's as accurate as all get out, and has taken down deer, rabbits, and squirrels a-plenty.
Hey guys! i am planning on buying a 6.5 Grendel® 19.5 GDMR (Grendel Designated Marksman). I heard about the awesome new 6.5 and i now have fallen head over heels for it. but thats not all. i want to modify it to make it bullpup - BWAHAHAHAH!! I wont get into any complicated mechanics, ill just do something like this. *see pic* wish me luck/any tips?
now im gonna have to make a couple modifications apart from the obvious conversion in the pic. i only had paint to do this with so bear with me.
is this madness? i think its sparta, but you might think diffrently.
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now im gonna have to make a couple modifications apart from the obvious conversion in the pic. i only had paint to do this with so bear with me.
is this madness? i think its sparta, but you might think diffrently.
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I want pics of your progress on this project. I don't see how you will overcome the buffer tube problem, unless using a gas piston upper. The charging handle will be a challenge as well. Do you have access to autocad, or plastic molding facilities. A local plastic shop here will make anything you want provided a drawing, and specs. You may want to pick up a Bushmaster M17 for study if you are really serious about this.
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I've been building AKs and ARs for the past couple of years now and must admit that when I first started, I had hesitations because of the vagueness of some of the laws. Thank God I moved next door to a neighbor, who's also an ATF agent, and she is more than willing to answer the majority of my questions.
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The laws concerning the private building of non-NFA firearms are well documented on F-Troop's website. Until very recently, F-Troop was a part of the Treasury Department because their purpose and function was to collect taxes (yes, that's right, 80 men, women, and children in Waco were killed over taxes and it was never proved they owed them). Most of the firearms manufacturing laws are based on tax liability.
So, to net it out, because the Treasury Department's jurisdiction is defined by (a) taxes, and (b) interstate commerce, you can build your own non-NFA firearms (which incur special taxes) to your heart's content, as long as you do not engage in the business of building them for sale. But, be sure to read the appropriate laws on the website.
So, to net it out, because the Treasury Department's jurisdiction is defined by (a) taxes, and (b) interstate commerce, you can build your own non-NFA firearms (which incur special taxes) to your heart's content, as long as you do not engage in the business of building them for sale. But, be sure to read the appropriate laws on the website.
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Question? Would taking old milsurps and rebarrleing modifing the bolt, stock etc. be considered rolling your own? Dave
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I'll stick to building muzzle loaders. They are not a "gun" according to the Government and according to the Gun Control Act of 1968.
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No. That would be considered WECSOGging.
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