Anybody remember these.......

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by Bob Wright, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. Bob Wright

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    Many years ago, in the late 'Fifties or early 'Sixties, there was a bullet called Cladalloy bullets. These bullets were cast of a zinc base alloy instead of lead, then copper coated. The bullet weighed about half that of a similar lead bullet. The .44 caliber which was cast lead weighed 246 grs., while then Cladalloy bullet weighed 128 grs.

    Zinc, fairly soft, expanded well, and the light weight made very high velocities possible within reasonble pressures. The loading data I remember use a charge of Unique powder to produce around 1200 fps. in a .44 Special.

    I never got around to trying these, wonder if anyone here did?

    Bob Wright
     
  2. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If they did they are probably too old to remember.:rolleyes:
     

  3. phildenton

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    Interesting. Would be good on 2 legged threats. But i would want the heavier bullet when up against certain 4 legged critters. Gonna look into that
     
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  4. hiwall

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    years ago some used to cast bullets out of Babbitt metal. it was lighter than lead.
     
  5. masterPsmith

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    I remember all that stuff when casting bullets back then and yes, I also used to cast for some loads using Zinc........
     
  6. locutus

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    Rhey didn't work out very well.
     
  7. c3shooter

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    You could get some screaming velocities out of those- that dropped rather quickly- partly due to light weight, part due to some bullets not stabilizing too well.

    About 20 yrs back we were experimenting with some lathe turned aluminum bullets. .357 bullets that weighed 37 grains. Those were vicious- for 100 feet. Very little penetration other than contact shots- which is why we were experimenting with them.
     
  8. clr8ter

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    Cool.....I have been wondering lately, (I don't know why), has anyone ever turned bullets on a lathe out of copper? Or brass?
     
  9. forrest225

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    I have seen some on a website before. They may have been using them for 50 BMG but I can't remember for sure. I know it was for a rifle though.
     
  10. phildenton

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    Solid brass bullets may be illegal for handguns, anyone know the law on that, im pretty sure that it would fall under definition of Armor piercing.
     
  11. clr8ter

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    So what is the definition of armor piercing? And, why would brass meet that definition? It's soft and heavy, although harder than lead......
     
  12. nitestalker

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    Back in the 1930s they turned bullets from brass rods. The bullets were made for the then new .220 Swift. They were made for velocity over 4,000 FPS. Back in those days they did have the bullets we have today. The hard brass did not seal throats and barrel life was short.:(
     
  13. cnorman18

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    Barnes loads hollow points of solid copper at +P pressures. Said to be awesome, with deep penetration and high velocity - 1300 fps out of a .380. I think Cor-Bon makes them too.
     
  14. clr8ter

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    Could you explain more, Nightstalker?

    I looked up Armor Piercing on Wikipedia. Seems like a VERY hard core is needed to do it. I doubt brass would qualify.
     
  15. In the late 1960s to middle 1970s there was a French company that made bullets from bronze on a screw machine. I remember the name as "Mystique", but can't find anything on line about them. They were designed to be 'penetrator' type ammunition; for use against vehicles, barricades and body armor. The bullet was made with a non-curved, spire point tip; much like the old 'metal piercing' ammunition of prior times.

    Turns out they were loaded to European pressure levels, which were - exciting, to say the least. And then, shortly after, the Leftists in Congress declared them - as part of the type - 'cop killer bullets' and therefore illegal.

    The lightweight alloy bullets are prior to my experience. Odd I haven't read about them.
     
  16. hiwall

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    Many used to cast bullets and use empty 22 cases for jackets.
     
  17. Bob Wright

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    If I remember correctly, they were swaged rather than cast cores, then swaged as a jacketed bullet using the .22 case.

    Bob Wright
     
  18. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

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    Memory lane........

    old age sucks, I remember now that you mentioned it, we use to pour this concoction to make new bearings.......