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They are a pretty neat idea. However i feel that they should not be allowed to be used for muzzle loading seasons.

But then again I am a crochety old codger who thinks that muzzle loading seasons should be side lock only. :)
 

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I think its a great idea. A few years ago Remington came out with an centerfire bolt rifle with electronic ignition. I never made it commercially probably because it needed a special type of cartridge. Using it in a blackpowder setup eliminates this problem. Maybe if Savage would come out with a muzzle loader that uses smokeless powder with saboted high velocity bullets? :rolleyes:
 

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Why? IF you want modern, go modern. The progression of new fangled "black Powder" firearms is crap. I don't mind the fact that they exist, I hate the fact that they are passed off as Primitive. That goes for in-lines too! There, you asked for my opinion and there it is. While I’m at it, don’t come back with “If Daniel Boone or the like had them available, he would have used it.” Of course he would have but he didn’t. It’s like showing up at a Civil War re-enactment with an M-16 spouting that if they would have had M16’s they would have use them so M16’s should be legal.
 

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its about time...

:cool: well said Ed21..that was great i dont have to say a word,
but they are about as primitive as a 30-06 that is what the
pochers do here in WV, the spark gun,,the inline,,has spoiled
the tradition of black-powder hunting..there reason for making
a in-line legal and with even a scope,,on the trap was to
make it more of a lethal kill..what a joke myself i have taken
alot of deer with a percushion rifle,its shot placement..
to every man his on thang-and-bang...LOL:eek:
 

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Sounds like you guys have strong opinions about what primitive hunting regs should be. I would contact your state legislative or fish and game about this. There are a couple of things in play here, one is the respect we have for our forefathers and what they had to do to put food on the table,using the tools that they had availible. The other has to be American inovation which is to constantly improve something that works to make it work better. :confused:
 

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The other has to be American inovation which is to constantly improve something that works to make it work better. :confused:
That's not the point. I'm all for innovation and making life better. Primitive firearm seasons were not established under that premise. The legal and ethical taking of game using firearms of our forefathers was generally accepted as the object. The process, due to politics, has become bastardized over the years. Like I said earlier, I have no problem with the newer inline and electronic firearms. I just do not agree they address the original intent of the season. For that matter, I do not agree with the BP substitutes either. Pre 1840? Pre 1860, maybe. Not later however. A limit should be determined. Establish rules, regulations, seasons, etc. for all of the modern stuff but by no means trivialize the primitive firearm seasons with modern innovations.
 

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I think most people that use blackpowder for hunting do so for extended season and the chance of putting more venison in the freezer. For me thats not an issue since my wife can barely make beef from the butcher presentable. The ethical and legal restrictions on hunting didn't come into being until the end of the nineteenth century when game populations became severley depleted from over hunting. From that time came the birth of the American sportsman. Alas our fore fathers were not conservationists or sportsmen. They hunted for food and survival. Remember the story of the passenger pigeon that was hunted to extinction. Those were the days! Firing into flocks of thousands of birds with 8 gauge double barrel punt guns. Now thats American inovation :rolleyes:
 

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It's like politics here. I will not change your mind and you will not change mine. Either you agree with me or you don't. No problem! Also, I was not stating that our fore fathers were necessarily using legal and ethical means to harvest game. I was merely saying that as long as what we are using is legal and ethical the arms of our fore fathers are my preferred manner of hunting. Have a good day:)
 

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It's the Hunt

Everyone has there opinion & we the People have screwed up in our past.
Many speice's of once upon a time Hunted animals are no more to be found.
Time has changed & the Need has changed, in today's world & it should be
in the Sportsman mind about the Hunt, not the Kill.
 

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..well to every man his own hunt or harvest,what ever neat word you want
to use???but i myself have not found a good reason for myself to go
inline,and a scope,and now electric spark,:D :D P.S see that pistol
in my aviater,,some around these parts dont like that either,but
cant please them and the deer too...LOL
 

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Now for me, a 155 round fired out of a M109SP timed for an air burst over the target. Now that’s American innovation:D
 

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I have come late to this discussion but the use of electricity intrigues me, so I hope someone might give, or refer, me to some basic information about the "CVA Electron."


My question is directed toward using an electrical spark in place of primer, and then what kind of power or secondary would be used after that.

Pardon me if my questions are embarrassingly basic.

yt2m
 

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A few years ago Remington came out with an centerfire bolt rifle with electronic ignition. I never made it commercially probably because it needed a special type of cartridge. :/QUOTE]

FYI: The only thing special about the ammo for the Remington Etronx was the primer. Other than that everything was the same with the brass, bullet and powder.
 

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A few years ago Remington came out with an centerfire bolt rifle with electronic ignition. I never made it commercially probably because it needed a special type of cartridge. :/QUOTE]

FYI: The only thing special about the ammo for the Remington Etronx was the primer. Other than that everything was the same with the brass, bullet and powder.
So, correct me if I am wrong with the basic mechanics of it but it looks like it went like this--

1. instead of percussion against the primer, which agitates the anvil creating a spark which ignites the gunpowder

I assume this model did not have an anvil. I am thinking a wire or two to carry the electrical charge into the cartridge.

rear end of the cartridge would have to be shaped differently -- have the wire soldered in so the powder did not blow out backwards.

theoretically nowadays the primer could be ignited by pressing the button, like on a cell phone or keyboard...

just found this link: http://www.metalstorm.com/index.php?src=news&prid=77&category=Latest Video & Live Firings

-- Australian company called Firestorm apparently is making electronic ignition firearms.
 

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I think it is one more thing to go wrong when you have a nice buck in your sights. I prefer the 209 primers (vs.) the electric ignition. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have read where some jurisdictions will NOT allow it to be used during black powder season because of the ignition source.

Buy a TC Triumph would be my 2 cents worth. Primers are cheap and they go bang every time, especially so in a closed breech weather proof set up like the Omega, Encore or the newer Triumph. Dan
 

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I prefer the 209 primers (vs.) the electric ignition. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have read where some jurisdictions will NOT allow it to be used during black powder season because of the ignition source.
1. "I prefer the 209 primers (vs.) the electric ignition. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. " Don't you see the humor in this remark in regards to this thread? "209 primers (vs.) the electric ignition" what about #11 percussion caps vs the 209 primers? What about flint vs the #11 percussion caps? If it ain't broke don't fix it.

2. "I have read where some jurisdictions will NOT allow it to be used during black powder season because of the ignition source." Some jurisdictions tried just this when the inlines came out. Generally did not hold up to politic and the crying and tears of those who wanted to invade the primitive firearms seasons with modern guns.

Again, if you want modern, go modern and leave history, primitive, fore father's firearms, tradition alone.
 
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