Any truth behind zero point energy?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Scratchammo, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    I've been looking for ways to lower the electric bill when I came across this: http: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g59cGTswGCI&feature=youtube_gdata_player]YouTube - FREE ENERGY Home Generator Australia - Electricity Generator - - Off the Grid - Lutec -[/ame]

    Has anyone seen this? Their webite has been "undergoing reconstruction" since last summer.
     
  2. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    No truth so far. If you stumble on something that works, please let the planet know.
     

  3. c3shooter

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    TANSTAAFL

    There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.


    You cannot take out energy that you did not put in, in some form.
     
  4. Nomad 1

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    Free lunch??

    Ditto the two comments above.

    I am, at least by education, a physicist. I spend my days running a lab where we burn and break things. It's actually fun to get paid doing things that normal people get tossed in the slammer for doing.

    That aside, there is no way to create energy from nothing. The US Patent Office will not even accept an application for anything that looks like the ol "perpetual motion" machine.

    Why? It simply doesn"t work. Period. End of story.

    This reminds me of the cold fusion story from a few decades ago. Great theory, great hope, promise of a "new realm" of physics. Believe it or not, the theory here was more plausible than the one prsented in the video.

    In the rush to fame every one overlooked one small problem. If it actually had worked as described, they should have been dead. No neutrons released in the experiment, which kept them alive, meant there was no fusion.

    The promise of free energy is an age old scam.
     
  5. c3shooter

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    The guy up there^ said it much better than I did. Free energy is not worth what you paid for it. Ever notice that everyone with a "free energy" solution wants MONEY?
     
  6. Ubergopher

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    I'm gonna laugh my ass off if it turns out this is is the real thing. :p

    I don't think it is though.
     
  7. dog2000tj

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    So have you got any good stories to tell us? ;)
     
  8. General_lee

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    I like to keep an open mind when it comes to alterative energy. I don't think that you can get energy from nothing, but you can get close to "free" energy with things like solar panels, although they are expensive.

    However, average Joe garage inventors are steadily coming up with new ideas for more efficient energy. Want your car to run on water? Go to Youtube and look up "HHO Generator".
     
  9. Yunus

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    Producing more power than it consumes is simply not possible. It's never been done and if it ever was it would shake the foundations of Science.
     
  10. Scratchammo

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    I guess that'll explain the lack of a working website.
     
  11. Nomad 1

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    My job

    Sorry for the delayed response but I am not much of a web junkie. I get to the site every week or so.

    Actually what we do is relatively boring for a good reason. We all want to go home with all of our body parts in good working order. :D Things tend to be well planned.

    One thing this forum may find interesting is a standard test for material used in coastal areas following the Miami Dade code. To assess compliance to minimum safety levels, we shoot an 8 ft 2x4 at 55 mph into the product or system in question. Bounces off some things, goes right through other stuff. I don't know what caliber a 2x4 is but the test is a lot of fun. The bounce back is the one you worry about.

    Fire tests are usually boring too - until something goes wrong. Never life threatening (safety precautions driven by paranioa are really just self preservation) but unexpected burn through or structural collape can make you pucker up a bit. Wet concrete is a big fear. Water turns to steam with no where and the stuff just explodes. Foam plastic insulation is just plain nasty.

    To be honest, after a while, boring because of good planning becomes perfectly comfortable.:D
     
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  12. Black Talon

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    the closest that i've seen is in sea water.

    supposedly 1 gallon of sea water has enough deuterium (referred to as heavy water) to give off 30 times more energy than is put into it. the water is not radioactive and is fairly harmless (in small doses).

    saw it yesterday, or tuesday on Modern Marvels on the History Channel - "Modern Doomsday Devices" was the title..........i think (something dealing with an apocolypse).

    anywho, a laser is used to excite the deuterium (i don't know if it has been extracted and purified or not), but it gives off 30 times the amount of energy it takes to put into it. i don't remember how many joules/kilojoules was given off, but it's something like 200 - 300 gallons of gasoline energy.

    the kick in the pants is free neutrons spinning off to either form a stable product with a known, introduced substance, or the neutron combines with the reactor wall to form a radioactive product, or both.
     
  14. Nomad 1

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    deuterium

    The post above brings up a topic that is often understood. One quest in the generation of useful energy is nuclear fusion. This is the process of forcing two lighter atoms into one heavier atom. The byproduct is just slightly lower in mass than the sum of the mass of the two lighter atoms. This does not happen in what we would consider normal conditions. It takes a tremendous amount of force to bring this about.

    This is the source of energy in our sun. We have been able to produce the fusion of hydrogen into helium in the lab but it has always taken more energy to produce the reaction than was derived from the reaction. Basically it is hard to compete with the sun. Anyway, there is some very promising research in this area.

    https://lasers.llnl.gov/programs/nic/

    Where does the energycome from? The mass loss in going from deuterium to helium. You are not getting something from nothing. This is the e= mc^2 equation that gave us the atomic bomb - the fuel is mass being converted to energy.
     
  15. c3shooter

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    Nomad- last year I visited a research facility at their request- they perform a LOT of varied research- and were looking at a project that would involve one of their labs, and high explosives (ND testing). They wanted a worst case scenario. Took measurements on lab, measured venting points (windows, ceiling panels, doors), sat down, ran the math- Said something like "Yeah, that'll do it." They were all smiles- so the assessment looked good?
    "Yep- accidental detonation of the amount of product you want to use, overpressure will only kill all the staff in this one lab. Other labs should be OK. Insufficent pressure wave release."

    They turned white. And quickly decided to use a different setup. Just had to explain it to them.:rolleyes:
     
  16. Nomad 1

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    Certainty

    C3,

    That's a funny story. I guess you want to make sure you got the objective correct before you right the spec.

    We did some shock tube testing a few years back. It is a controlled explosion. Simple in concept but you take a day or so to build something you destroy in milliseconds. Thank God for high speed photography.

    There is an anecdotal story about the design of the 747. The surveyed each team to see how confident they were in their work. If they were sure, they were told that the would get to ride in the first flight. The landing gear team thought about it and then asked for one more chance to check the data.
     
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