Any suggestions and help appreciated

Discussion in 'Hunting Forum' started by Garnettoi71, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. Garnettoi71

    Garnettoi71 New Member

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    Dear all Forum users

    I am currently residing in the UK and I would like to get my hands on a shotgun. The problem is in the UK you need two licenses, one that you can get from a post office and a license to hunt one that the police come and interview you about. I am worried because of my age and gender the police will not take me seriously and be suspicious.

    Do you have any hints on how to pass the interview? Would being a member of a shooting club help?

    Also could you recommend any good starting rifles for me? I have a grand to spend but I'm looking about the £500 mark? Any price range up to £1000 is appreciated.

    Thanks in advance

    Jen
     
  2. hairbear1

    hairbear1 Active Member

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    I would suggest that you either jump on the net and check out the British gun laws or go and talk to the local constabulary who should put you on the right path.
    Also maybe a trip to the local gun club would do you well.
     

  3. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Jen,

    Welcome to the forum! When you get a chance, head over to the Imtroductions thread and tell us a little about yourself. :)

    As far as your concerns, most of these laws were instituted to make it either unaffordable to own a weapon or to provide a psychological barrier, making it so you don't want to talk to an "official." The truth is, if you are not a criminal or mentally defective, there isn't a reason you should not be allowed to obtain the permits to own a weapon.

    The easiest route would be to join a gun or hunting club before getting your permits and gun. They can handle your initial training, you can borrow other member's firearms to try them before you buy anything, and they will be able to give you the experience needed to answer the questions with authority. The more hands-on experience you have will allow you to feel confident, and the club will provide you a place to use your new firearm.

    Look into local clubs and see if any have an introductory membership or allow a level of membership you can afford. The membership will become new friends and you'll be the better for it. :)
     
  4. eatmydust

    eatmydust New Member

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    Jen -Welcome from Penn's Woods, enjoy.

    TekGreg has just given you the best advice I can imagine, IMHO.
     
  5. c3shooter

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    Welcome, Jen- and, as said- good advice up above.

    As far as a first rifle- My recommendation to anyone would be a .22 rimfire- preferably a bolt action. Why? Recoil is pretty well non-existent, ammunition is MUCH cheaper than centerfire ammo, and the rifles are less expensive. And the skills you develop with a rimfire rifle transfer to other rifles.

    However, I AM left with a bit of a puzzle- in your opening paragraph, you stated you wanted a shotgun, but then ask about rifles. :confused::confused:

    So.... are you looking for a rifle, a shotgun, both, or........???
     
  6. Garnettoi71

    Garnettoi71 New Member

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    Thank you for the great advice TekGreg, I will look into it.
     
  7. Garnettoi71

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    I'm looking for a rifle that isn't an air rifle basically, I'm pretty new to guns so I probably got the terminology wrong. I have yet to learn the details. Am I correct in thinking that a shotgun refers to all non- air weapons or only to specific rifles? Please enlighten me. I only have experience with air rifles.

    Thank you for your advice :)
     
  8. c3shooter

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    Shotgun- a smoothbore firearm that fires a shotshell, discharging a good sized cloud of small round lead balls, generally used for bird hunting, but with larger shot or a 1 piece slug, capable of taking big game. Bore diameter generally given in terms of gauge, a 12 g shotgun has a bore diameter of about 0.72 inches, and fires about an ounce and a half of lead balls.

    A rifle is a firearm with a rifled bore- it has grooves cut on the inside of the barrel in a spiral pattern. This imparts a spin to the fired single bullet, improving the accuracy at distance. They can range (typically) from a .22 caliber rimfire, suitable for targets to 100 meters and small game (rabbits, squirrels, etc) up to .30 caliber, or much larger, suitable for targets at 500-1000 meters, any animal that walks the earth, and smaller armored vehicles.

    Neither is a airgun (although some airguns are air rifles) Both are bonafide firearms. And not to be snide or condescending- THIS is why you want to get some instruction before having that interview with Constable Friendly. A lack of information can be fixed. If you did not grow up where most households had a shotgun or rifle behind the kitchen door, it is understandable.

    We can help transfer some information to you, but long distance cannot fully substitute for first hand experience- hence the suggestion to find and visit a local gun club, and let them know you are a pilgrim seeking enlightenment.

    PS- what part of the UK? My lady is a West Country lass- born in Plymouth, grew up right on the River Tamar.
     
  9. c3shooter

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    PPS- I have a poker game in a short while, but over the weekend I will see if I can't find some internet reading for you to help out a bit. Ta-
     
  10. manta

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    You have to be over 18 gender makes no difference, no need to be a member of a gun club. You don't need a licence to hunt.
    Try the National Rifle Association of the UK | NRA | Home Page

    www.nra.org.uk/

    National Rifle Association of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
     
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  11. hairbear1

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    Shotguns are powder burners.

    A shotgun fires pellets or shot that are housed in what is called a shot shell and when fired lets lead balls or shot out of the barrel/s in what is called a pattern.

    The effective range of a shotgun is about 70 yds maximum but this is a real stretch as most of the pattern will have spread out too much with 50 yds considered a maximum guaranteed kill range.

    You can get shot of different sizes for different jobs like No. 7 shot for trap/clay target,
    6 shot for ducks,rabbits
    4 shot for ducks,rabbits, hares
    2 shot and BB for foxes,dogs,

    BB,SG,OO/SG Buckshot for things like pigs,goats,deer and then there's rifled slugs that are used for deer, buffalo,pigs.

    Also shotguns are "smoothbore" meaning that there's no rifling like a rifle has and most shotguns have "chokes" that form the shot into patterns of different sizes and come in improved,modified full and half and you can get shotguns with different chokes especially double barrel shotguns with say full and modified for different game.
    Trap/clay shooting is a bit of a specialist's game with shotguns that are specifically designed for this particular branch of the sport with some shotguns costing $20-50,000.

    This is basically a short version of what a shotgun is and can do and for more info you'd have to start talking to those who play with these guns.

    You can also get a "combination" gun/rifle which is called a combination gun for obvious reasons and you can basically get the rifle part in most calibres from .22 up to something like 30/06 or bigger and the shotgun side can be from .410(which is actually a calibre not a gauge like the rest)12g, 16g,20g and 28g.
     
  12. TekGreg

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    Jen,

    You're getting some top-notch advice from the folks above. C3Shooter ("C3" for short) is a resident expert on anything that goes bang. He has extensive experience with handguns, rifles, shotguns and explosives. If he says it, you can be pretty sure it's chiseled in a stone tablet somewhere. :D

    Trying to help separate some of the confusion, when we refer to the word "rifle," we are referring to a long-barrelled weapon that uses gunpowder to fire a single projectile ("bullet") for long distances. When someone uses "Air Rifle" to describe a weapon, the gun powder is removed as the propelling force and gas or pressurized air is used as propellant to fire a lead projectile, typically known as a "pellet," also leading to the designation "Pellet Gun." Some "rifles," using gunpowder, are lethal out to a couple of kilometers or more.

    A "Shotgun" also uses gunpowder as it's source of propellant, but can fire multiple projectiles, known as "shot," to increase the chance to hit close, fast moving targets such as birds, but at a reduced distance. Most shot is lethal inside 150-200 meters, depending on the target. Certain shotguns can be equipped with a "Slug" round to hunt larger animals. The "slug" is simply a one-piece "bullet" as large as the barrel of the shotgun, but still limiting the range at which it is lethal, typically not beyond 500 meters. This makes the shotgun highly versatile in the type of game it takes, but limits the range at which game can be taken.

    While searching for articles, sites and videos to help you out, I realized that most media out there either assumes you have a working knowledge of firearms or bogs down in political debates going on in individual countries. The best thing you can do is find a trusted friend or neighbor that has firearms experience to help you or hire a competent instructor. The link mentioned above for the NRA should also have a searchable list of qualified instructors, if you wish. They can make sure to tailor the instruction to your personal experience level and make sure you are started properly. Always be safe and we hope to see you shooting soon! :)
     
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  13. Garnettoi71

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    Okay, thank you for clearing that up for me. I'm from Lancashire (North west of England) and have mostly lived in large towns or cities throughout my life. People around here look at you like you are a murderer or strange if you even mention anything guns or hunting related. My father used to take me shooting with air rifles but my mum is scared of guns so when she found out she stopped it.
     
  14. Garnettoi71

    Garnettoi71 New Member

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    Thank you :)
     
  15. Garnettoi71

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    Thank you Manta, this was very helpful, which part of the UK are you from?
     
  16. johnbrowning

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    Join a gun club, which they probably have a shotgun you can use on their property. If they ask you if you have a license, tell them no but your going to obtain one ASAP and you are very proficient with Benelis and Brownings, and your Grandfather had a Purdy(look it up) that was handed down to your dad, and tell them how lovely it is and your dad let you shoot it. Maybe bring your phone and have someone take snapshots of you shooting clay pigeons or just stand there looking as though you are. Try to move those pictures in your phone album so they look random. Or use it as your screen saver to show how much shooting means to you Make it look like you know what you are doing. Or skip the gun club and tell the officials about your proficiencies with those shotguns. Good Luck and learn their terms like "lovely" as an adjective for Purdy. Ps If your looking for a tactical short barrel your SOL.
     
  17. manta

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    No problem I am, from Northern Ireland.
     
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    Jennifer Juniper, longs for what she lacks.

    Too bad that the UK has lost the notion of the Rights Of Englishmen (and Englishwomen) and does not have a 2nd Amendment.
     
  19. c3shooter

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  20. Garnettoi71

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    Those Purdey rifles are aptly named, they are beautiful! Since the price wasn't mentioned I reasoned it would be too much for me though.