Another thread about joining the military

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by beastmode986, Aug 15, 2013.

  1. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    I have a few more questions I want to ask.
    For those who have not seen me post, don't know my age, don't know what I want to do this first part is for you. If you saw my other threads just skip to the second part.
    1. I am 15 years old right now and I have wanted to join the military my whole life. My ultimate goal is to be special forces. I want to join the army right out of high school(Yes, the army. Not the Marines, Navy, or Air force. No offense to those who have served in any of those. I have thought about it and I think the army is whats best for me.) If you plan on telling me not to join or to do something else like ''Be a doctor'' or ''You could die'' or anything like that its best you don't comment.

    2. Now, I can get to the point of this thread. I am still trying to figure out a plan for joining, its actually stressing me out( I think to much sometimes.) My first plan was join as a ranger(11x op 40), do that for awhile, then try and go to selection for special forces. I have done some thinking since then though. My friend and I plan on enlisting together(Do they still do the buddy program?) we have known each other since pre school and have always wanted to enlist. I was talking with him about joining and turns out he wants to do the same thing I plan on doing but he plans on just being a ranger not going sf. So now I was thinking I could join as regular infantry along with my friend(I want 11b) then see if we can go to ranger school.
    Questions

    1. If we both join as infantry and there is still a buddy program, what are the chances of us fighting together/ deploying together?

    2. How difficult do you think it would be for both of us to go to ranger school/get a spot to go?(I know you don't go to ranger school right away)

    I will be posting more questions, just cant remember all of them now.
    You guys are probably thinking '' ask your recruiter'', well I could but they like to not so much lie but ''stretch the truth'' because im young. I just want opinions from all of you, it does not need to be fact.

    By the way, to those who served thank you for your service.
     
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  2. shadecorp

    shadecorp Active Member Supporter

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    My time in the Army, 9/57-9/60.
    While you are waiting to enlist,
    Get as much education as you can.
    Get in the best physical condition you can.
    My buddy and I signed up together
    was told we would serve together
    after school
    went our separate ways
    Probably the best thing
    Good Luck
    Best Wishes
     

  3. JW357

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    Being a Marine, I can't answer any of your Army specific questions.

    But maybe what I do have to say will be useful for you.

    If you really want to go SF, be sure you stay in excellent physical condition. Is this required? No, but it will certainly help. If you don't consider yourself fit right now, you have a few years, so get there.

    In my opinion, what's actually more important than being fit is being intelligent. I see you can at least construct a sentence better than most average yahoos, so I'm assuming you're not a rock. It's important to be intelligent because SF type guys often operate in small teams with minimal oversight. You have to be able to think on your feet and adapt to dynamic situations. Being bright will help with this. Study hard, read in your free time, and just generally try to absorb as much knowledge as you can. Be inquisitive, meaning ask questions often, even if they might be "stupid." I believe most questions are not stupid, by the way.

    In summary, exercise (especially run), study, read, ask questions.

    Incidentally, when I enlisted almost six years ago, we were still doing the Buddy Program. Bear in mind that was during the big push to add a lot of troops, though. Currently the military is drastically downsizing, so things may be different.

    Regarding your question about combat and war. Pay attention to worldly happenings. Egypt, Syria, Iran, North Korea, etc. Your chances of going to Afghanistan are very slim. President Obama has expressed he wants the war to be officially over by 2014. Will we still have some select troops there? Yes, of course. But they will be few and far between. Maybe a new war will start up before, or around the time, that you enlist. Pray it doesn't. While I have never deployed to combat, I have lost friends in Afghanistan. I can't imagine the pain of actually fighting alongside someone and having their lives ripped from them. Pray for peace, but prepare for war.

    Don't ever, EVER, hope to go to war because of some machismo attitude, or desire to prove yourself. That is boyish and immature. I'm not saying you're like that, I'm just giving my thoughts.

    I wouldn't stress too much right now about the specifics of what MOS you're going into. What you want to do can, and probably will, change two dozen times before you actually are old enough to sign the dotted line.

    I wish you the best of luck.
     
  4. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply, I am in decent shape as of now(I am nowhere close to fat) but am trying to get in great shape. I try to workout every day. I don't want to go to war, but during a time of war I would rather fight next to the guys on the front line then sit back and let everyone else do the work. I dont see any peace time in the near future though, IMO Obama is trying to wage war.
     
  5. JW357

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    A good attitude to have.

    The thing about Obama is a debate for a different thread, IMO. It could get out of hand, real fast.

    In terms of fitness, if you can get to the point where you ace the PT test BEFORE you enlist, EVERYTHING will be easier for you. And by ace, I mean 100%.

    Good luck to you. Keep your level of drive, and I'm sure you'll do fine.
     
  6. sbeezy

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    I'm not in the army (yet), but when I went in to the office with a friend of mine they said they no longer do the buddy system. They told us that the chances of us going to the same basic at the same time were still really good, but not guaranteed in a contract. Then they just recently told us that we most likely won't go together. It's not necessarily a bad thing, though. The more I've thought about it the more I've realized it's probably for the best. I don't need someone distracting me or someone to worry about if they're falling behind. It may sound selfish, but in the end it's about what's best for you.

    Like I said, I haven't gone yet (i will in about 1-4 months) so this is just my take on it.

    The buddy system is, however, no longer an option.
     
  7. rjd3282

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    First, don't let some recruiter tell you what they have open as far as mos. Tell them what you want and get it in writing. They've got slots to fill and they will lie to you so they can fill them. Second, you won't be in the army forever so choose a skill you can use in civilian life too. I know it sounds horrible to hear that they will lie to you, but they don't give a damn what you want. It's all about what they want and need. If they say they don't have an opening in the field you want, tell them to call you when they get one.
     
  8. JW357

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    Along that note, if they show you numbers that show the MOS you want is actually closed, wait until the next October. The fiscal year starts October 1, and at least for the Marine Corps that's when MOS' open up.
     
  9. beastmode986

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    Ok thanks brother, what are the pt standards? 100 push ups, 100 sit ups, mile in 6 minutes? Those are my goals.
     
  10. beastmode986

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    I was planning on making a career out of it. I have always thought about being a combat medic though.

    Thats bad news :mad:, maybe its your recruiter? Even if they don't offer the buddy program I am still joining.
     
  11. JW357

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    I'll have to ask some guys tomorrow. I work with some Soldiers. I'm not 100% on their PT test standards. It's definitely longer than a mile, though. I wanna say 1.5 or maybe 2 miles. I'll get clarification for you.
     
  12. JW357

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    Even if you make it a career, you have to get out of the military at some point, and you will still need a job after you retire. Military retirement is not usually enough to sustain most people with families. Maybe if you become an officer, maybe...
     
  13. Donn

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    First, my bona fides, Army 1969-71. Vietnam, 69-70. As others have said, physical and mental shape are essential, especially mental if your sights are set on Ranger or SF. If you're set on SF, you'll have to go airborne too. It's optional for Rangers, mandatory for SF. I was drafted, so the dynamic of recruiter's lying happened to others. Bottom line is, recruiters in any branch want to keep their cake job. Regardless what they might tell you or how many ribbons they're wearing, the last thing they want is to be reassigned to a line company and get deployed again. While there's talk about lowering Ranger standards, it hasn't happened yet. Ranger training is designed to and will kick your backside. My son earned his tab a few years back and I barely recognized him when we went to Ft. Benning for graduation.
     
  14. WebleyFosbery38

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    Buddy plan wasnt always good for starting a completely new life anyways and thats what you will be doing. I never thought I would be Career when I joined, you do so that means you dont have to move a mountain in a day. I did 21 years but today with SFB's like BHO and others at the helm consistently, Im not sure I would do it again.

    Understand that Ranger and SF are challenging for those fully prepared but so many that are prepared get booted for injuries, illness or failure of a single graded event. Myself, I would get the MOS I wanted first then seek the Advanced Warrior Schools otherwise you risk being reprocessed at the will of the Army to fit its needs not yours. You wanna be a Combat Medic, become one then go for the Guts and Glory training after your certified as a Medic.

    Good luck, gods speed and keep your head low!
     
  15. yazul42

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    U.S.M.C, 76-80,,,, I wish you well in your aspirations,, as stated earlier, excellent physical conditioning and using your intelligence as well as possible are extremely good points and from what I learned about the Army from my cousin who retired back in the 80's, there are several steps in training before you reach your goal. He was a part of the first advisors to Viet Nam in
    1963 and went back for several tours of duty. He went through about every SF school and was in various billets and covert operations. He was definitely a " Lifer " soldier, and he always told me that no matter what,, you have to earn it when it comes to elite forces,, the wash out rate is very, very, high, as it should be, and he always advised his troops that did not make these elite units, to remember that they are still soldiers and can use the experience to make them better. In essence, most will not complete the rigors of this training, give it your best shot and I wish you well. My niece, who was greatly inspired by the above mentioned Sgt. Major, is currently an officer in the 82nd Airborne and returned not long ago from a tour in Afghanistan.
     
  16. 303tom

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    Best thing you could ever do !..................
     
  17. SSGSF

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    How many push-ups , sit-ups can you do in two minutes ? How fast can you run a two mile?
    Because to max out your pt you will need to do 70 push-ups , 78 sit-ups and run two miles in 13:00 min
     
  18. beastmode986

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    Thanks everyone! I have seen the shows 2 weeks in hell and surviving the cut, the only thing I am afraid of is getting hurt during the selection process. There were people that mess up their shoulders and and legs and feet and that's how they get dropped from the course. The special forces selection looks a lot harder than ranger selection.
     
  19. SSGSF

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    That is a chance you will have to take . Hell guys get hurt in jump school to.
    You never think about what if I get hurt doing this, you just do and finish the task you where ordered to do.
     
  20. beastmode986

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    What do you do when you get airborne training? HALO jumps?
    It would suck if this happened [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHqLxhmfnmY[/ame]