Animals and the 2A

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Benning Boy, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

    I have a passion for animals, and want to support an animal charity. However, I won't support one that in any way craps on gun owners. Does such an organization exist?

  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    Sure. The new and revised PETA. :D


    Sorry bro, couldn't help myself. I don't know of a single animal rights group that is also pro gun. They are pretty militant themselves though...

    I suppose you could donate some money to a vegan organization that operates locally - and then go have a steak. :D


  3. DuckA

    DuckA Guest

    Ducks Unlimited. Don't know if that meets your criteria, but it's still a good group.
  4. JiroZero713

    JiroZero713 Active Member

    Save a cow

    Eat a peta
  5. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

    RMEF Rocky Mt Rlk Foundation

    Duck Unlimited

    IWLA Izzak Walton League of America (Not really animals but a conservation group)

    NWTF National Wild Turkey Federation.

    Or find a local animal rescue group (Who rescue pets not wildlife) and donate to them. Go to your local petsmart on a saturday and see who is there then research them.
  6. spittinfire

    spittinfire Active Member Supporter

    I love animals too and wish there were more groups like the ones listed above. If you want to save something from extinction just let people hunt it. Hunters have brought back, whitetails, black bear, elk, etc.... I hunt but only kill what I'm going to eat, I don't agree with trophy hunting. I also think animals should be treated decently even if they are being raised for food. All that being said I do not believe animals are anywhere close to being as valuable as people. That has to be my biggest complaint with animal rights groups, they would rather see a person die then a hamster.
  7. iloveguns

    iloveguns Guest

    Your local Humane society or dog pound whatever you call them.:D
  8. Musket

    Musket New Member

  9. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

    I hadn't considered rescues. Excellent idea. Thanks guys.:)
  10. Musket

    Musket New Member

    I have worked with various rescues in the past, and I can tell you with this economy that many of the smaller rescues (especially the breed rescues) are struggling. Their donations are going down as more people lose jobs and cannot afford to donate. And they are being beset by surrendered animals for the same reason. A person unable to work soon finds they cannot feed their pets and need to find a home.

    Its sad, but pets are also the quiet victims of the economic trauma underway. Its even more sad that there are also many irresponsible people out there who don't bother to attempt to take a pet to rescue, and either turn it loose, or even worse, leave it tied somewhere or locked in a basement. Reports of animal abuse and neglect are rising. :(

    This is an article that ran a few months ago:

    Family Pets Falling Victim To Hard Economic Times --

    The woman sobbing by the stables at the Second Chance Ranch Equine Rescue was a familiar scene to Shannon Kalahan and the other volunteers at the farm.

    Kalahan, 27, looked on as the woman, recently laid off and in her 40s, bid a final farewell to her two horses, Storm Cloud, a 6-year-old Appaloosa with a white face dotted with black spots, and Breeze, a lightning-white 24-year-old mare.

    In a scene being repeated from Connecticut to the storied Bluegrass Country of Kentucky, hard economic times led the woman to give up her horses.

    Horses aren't the only victims. Dogs, cats and other pets are also being reluctantly surrendered to animal shelters and dumped on the streets. Dubbed "foreclosure pets," their abandon is a grim consequence of the escalating costs of everything from feed to veterinary care. And with more than 700,000 properties in the country in some state of foreclosure, many homeowners are downsizing to smaller houses or apartments where pets may not be allowed.

    The Humane Society of Connecticut estimates a roughly 5 percent increase this year in the number of small animals relinquished because of economic hardships. But the number may be significantly higher, animal experts say, because owners are not pressed on why they are giving up animals and often are too embarrassed to admit their dire financial situations.

    Alicia Wright, the society's public relations director, recited the litany of reasons she has heard from people:

    "We're moving. I can't keep my pet."

    "I'm being foreclosed on. I can't keep my pet."

    "I'm financially strained and cannot afford veterinary care and other expenses."

    She added, "We're getting a lot more of that this year than we did last year."

    Costly Care
    In Connecticut, which has the highest horse per capita rate in the country, monthly costs for boarding a horse are between $300 and $500, not including medical bills. It costs at least $500 to $1,000 a year to take care of a dog or cat, at the bare minimum, Wright said.

    The Second Chance farm, a 33-acre ranch in East Granby with other properties in Suffield and Belchertown, Mass., houses 15 horses, and volunteers hope to raise enough donations to expand to accommodate the growing need. Four full-time volunteers each spend up to 40 hours a week caring for the horses in East Granby after their day jobs and on weekends.

    "We have a long waiting list right now," said Kalahan, a radiologist from Manchester. "We know people want to get rid of their animals."

    The Connecticut Horse Council is planning to meet with as many horse rescues in the state as possible — there are around a dozen — to address how to make room for the flood of animals. Nearly every rescue center is full, and most have waiting lists.

    "I have been getting a steady stream of e-mails from people looking to place their horses," said Amy Stegall, the council's president. "There's not much I really can tell them. We don't have an answer."

    "It seems to me like it's going to be a long-term problem."

    The problem is hitting other states as well. The Gentry Creek rescue center in northeastern Tennessee is at capacity, caring for 22 surrendered horses, and each week must turn away several requests from owners who say they don't have enough money to continue caring for their animals.

    And the Equine Humane Center in Lexington, Ky., has taken in more than 200 abandoned horses since opening last April. Owners say last year's drought, which drove up hay and grain costs, and the economy forced them to give up their horses.

    "What I'm hearing more is they can no longer afford to keep them," said Lori Neagle, the Kentucky center's executive director.

    The Humane Society of the United States, based in Washington, D.C., is also building an emergency-placement network that could take care of horses if local rescues can't make room for them, said Keith Dane, the group's director of equine protection. It is slated to be ready in six months.

    National and local activists urge pet owners to cut back on other costs so they can keep their animals instead of turning them over to overburdened shelters. But some have no choice.

    Hot Water Rescue, a dog rescue center based out of Collinsville but run almost entirely online, has been flooded with requests for pets being given up.

    The center profiles dogs seeking new homes on its website. Buzz, a 4-month-old pit bull terrier, is so skinny because his former family could not afford to feed him and his brother, his profile says. The owners of 1-year-old Armani, a Staffordshire terrier, "fell on hard times and could not keep him."

    "We've definitely been seeing an influx of animals in our rescue group," said Sabrina Brini, an adoption counselor for the dog shelter.

    Still, more and more owners facing foreclosure and unemployment are abandoning their pets to the streets. In Middletown, for example, there have been more animals given up than the local shelter can accommodate. Some expensive dogs, including a purebred Newfoundland that could sell for around $1,500, have been found wandering the streets, suggesting that families can no longer afford to keep them alive, said Gail Petras, the town's animal control officer.

    "One thing we want to stress above all other things is: Do not abandon your pet in your home or to the street," said Nancy Peterson, an issues spe******t at the national Humane Society. "It's cruel, it's irresponsible and it's probably illegal."
  11. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

    Wow. Now I have to do something, didn't realize it was that bad.

    I wonder how difficult it would be to organize a shoot, gun bash, etc. to get the proceeds to these people, and getting a positive pro 2A image in the process.

    I'm going off to contemplate now.
  12. Musket

    Musket New Member

    Its that bad--worse even. That article was written in August. Foreclosures and layoffs have become a tidal wave since then. I sit on the boards of a number of nonprofs, and I am heartsick at what I am seeing. I have had people call me in tears, begging for help, and I have no suggestions, because I know the rescue I would send them to is already full.

    And when you have no job--the choice whether to feed your children or the dog become obvious. Many people love their animals (I consider my dogs furry children), and they are distraught at having to give them up, but they have no other solution. :( :(

    And our nonprofs donations and membership are noticably dropping off--for very obvious reasons. Horses are especially hard to place obviously due to their size and zoning/space requirements.

    Many shelters have shortened the length of time they will keep animals before euthanizing (some have gone to only one or two days), and euthanasia clinics have started for large animals--an example is the story below:

    Horse Rescue Offers Low-Cost Euthanasia Clinic
    by: Pat Raia-The Horse
    October 15 2008 Article # 12903
    NorCal Equine Rescue in Oroville, Calif., will offer a low-cost euthanasia clinic on Dec. 17 for owners who, due to economic or other reasons, are unable to care for their horses. Owners will be charged $25 for the euthanasia service, which will be performed by veterinarians.

    Clinic participation requires owners to sign a release allowing the rescue to retain and place potentially adoptable horses. Horses that prove to be unsuitable for adoption will be humanely euthanized through the rescue's Final Act of Kindness program.

    "The clinic is designed to provide financially strapped owners with an alternative to bringing their horses to auction where they may not sell, or may sell a very low price," said NorCal Co-Founder and Vice President Tawnee Preisner.

    The group plans to host similar events several times per year.

    For details, call 530/534-7742 or e-mail [email protected].

    Editor's Note: NorCal has arranged for carcass disposal through area renderers, the cost of which is covered in the $25 fee.


    The BLM also had recently considered destroying thousands of wild horses due to budget cuts and management issues.

    I never in my life would have thought that I would see "Euthansia clinics".
  13. Musket

    Musket New Member

    oh, it occurs to me that just as a word of caution: There are some rescues that have no opinions on gun ownership, but the volunteers/board members may be unfamiliar with guns, so you should talk to them first if you plan to do a fundraiser, just to explain things.

    I applaud your decision to help. You have NO idea how bad things are getting. Every penny is appreciated by the small rescues.

    PETA and HSUS (in addition to being rabildy antigun) also have beacoup funding and marketing resources. Dollars are much better spent (in my opinion) donating to the small local rescues who are barely keeping afloat and who are doing their best to take in the homeless pets.

    And lest anyone think I am some left wing nut because I am involved with animals, in addition to being a gun owner, I also eat meat and wear leather products. (I better not see one snicker over that comment :rolleyes: )

    There is a difference between animal rights and animal welfare. PETA believes in animal rights, and farmers believe in animal welfare. Much like the difference we see with "Common Sense Gun Control" vs "Second Amendment Rights".

    Seriously though, I am glad you are interested in helping out. This is only a small piece of the bigger picture.....
  14. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

    Oddly, I prefer the company of animals to that of most people. I don't see a conflict between a love of animals and conservative views. I support hunters who hunt responsibly, but out my way I see alot of carcasses missing heads. I hunted when I was younger, and had a reverence for what I took, nothing was wasted.

    If I could make even a modest living at it, I could see service to animals as a lifes work.