An idea im trying to polish

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by PrimePorkchop, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    EDIT:

    I've decided to rewrite the above in order to better convey my thought process. Some people have thought what i'm intending to do is to actually condone the police to march into your home at any time. Quite the opposite.

    I approached this "idea" with the presumption that most gun grabbers would argue they want gun control so that it'll "reduce crime". They would argue that "taking away an assault rifle" would reduce crime. They would say that we have to get guns out of the hands of criminals to make our streets safe again... But the obvious answer, the "preaching to the choir" answer, is "taking a firearm away from a law abiding citizen is not taking away firearms from criminals"

    You know that. I know that. They know that. But they're not after THAT outcome. They're after an outcome where OUR guns go away, because they're afraid of guns, or they don't like guns, and if they're afraid of something, or they don't like it, then NOBODY should have it. That's the "no **** sherlock" prerequisite to being a liberal.

    So, when having a discussion with anyone who might argue this, then you can simply throw it back in their face.

    You can say: "Would you be okay if police were allowed to profile gangbangers and search them, at any time, for illegal firearms?"

    or you could take it a step further and say

    "Would you be okay with the police being allowed to march into the home of any known felon and making sure they don't have firearms?"


    To which they would almost certainly reply "no, that's a violation of their rights"

    To which YOU Get to respond "So you'll stick up for the rights of a convicted felon, but wont' stick up for the rights of a law abiding citizen?"

    That was the whole concept of my "idea"

    I've been able to polish it, however, and refine its approach, so thank you all for helping me there. Now, I just have to make sure its worth using. :D
     
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  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Police got too much to do already but its a good argument to use on the national socialists
     

  3. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    How do we pay for this when we need to cut spending? It sounds like a socialist's idea, more control of the people and letting the government have a bigger hand is our lives.
     
  4. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    That's exactly my point. Im not saying I am FOR this at all but it'll illustrate the fact that these gun grabbers aren't out to disarm criminals, theyre out to disarm the population. Their goal isn't less crime it's a defenseless population

    It's putting their rhetoric to the test and watching it fail miserably... Or at least I think it is :)
     
  5. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    You sound a lot like the "next person", have you thought about running for an elected position ?


     
  6. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    So, you're saying that i'm full of **** because I use the arguments of a gun grabbers against the gun grabbers themselves?

    It sounds like you're personally insulted at this idea...perhaps it applies to you?

    Or perhaps you're just another bored human being looking to prod your pseudo-intellecutal toes in the water to see how big of a splash you can make? We have a name for those kinds of people:

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Isn't this the idea behind the new box on the fa-10 form?
     
  8. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    Hmm, I dont' know if im familiar with that...I googled it and a bunch of information for Mass. comes up...is this a form specific to that state?
     
  9. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    It's the paperwork filled out when purchasing a firearm. They just added a new box to it.
    Latino or not Latino. Lol
     
  10. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    No. I am saying you are full of BS because you are. First you say it was your idea, you started this thread with this statement.
    And then when I said this
    All of a sudden you realized it was a bad idea and you really are an Obama loving socialist and you changed you tune.
    So I am saying you are full of BS because you started this and it was a bad idea. You just spoke out your ars and it was wrong.
     
  11. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Easy guys. He did say it may be a turd.
     
  12. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    You clearly have a reading comprehension problem. I never said I was for it, I was talking about painting a narrative and using it against them.

    Lure them in with the concept then throw it in their face. If you fully believe i'm an Obama loving socialist, then I really think you're a moron.

    You have an affinity for trolling these forums. If you think the idea of using it against them is a bad idea, then fine, but don't put words in my mouth.


    Here, allow me to break it down for you:

    See, I lead in with the talking point, then I say this

    You can go back to the original post and see for yourself. It's there

    "Seems to me the knee jer reaction from a gun grabber would be" _____

    To which you can respond "You don't march into the home of a known criminal and disarm them but you will do that to me?"

    No where in there did I say we should be doing this. The idea stems from proving that liberal gun grabbers don't want to disarm criminals. They want to disarm law abiding citizens.

    If you're too dull to figure that out on your own, then there really is no reason to be speaking with you.
     
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  13. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    Thank you, but there's no need to go easy, I can take criticism just fine. If using this idea against a gun grabber is a bad idea, then it's a bad idea...that's the whole reason I posted here, for discussion of the idea to decide if there's holes in it.

    What I take exception to is some child marching in the middle of an adult conversation and putting words in my mouth. Like a typical shill, he has to conjure a reality for him to be correct in, because his words don't hold weight in reality.
     
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  14. bkt

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    I understand what you're doing - using their technique against them.

    It probably won't work. There are plenty of lefties out there who would have no problem with police stopping people or searching homes if it's "for the greater good". (Then, you could turn that around and ask why it's wrong to profile muslims, but I digress.)

    Bottom line: you are trying to use logic on people who are immune to it.
     
  15. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    I like that rebuttal with the Muslim profiling (or Mexican profiling in Arizona)

    you're correct in that last line, too...but unfortunately I know no other way to have a discourse with them....perhaps its not possible? But I have to try!
     
  16. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    Thats exactly what they are doing in the hoods of NYC that has everyone in an uproar!
     
  17. Flat Tire

    Flat Tire New Member

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    A bad idea isn't "logic". Logic isn't about reverse psyschology. The title of this thread is "An idea im trying to polish".
     
  18. PrimePorkchop

    PrimePorkchop New Member

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    You are an impossible shill who refuses to look past your own idiocy. You have my pity. Perhaps I presented my thoughts in a manner that someone like you could come along and interpret them in such a horrible way.

    Maybe next time i'll write it in crayon.
     
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  19. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    Reverse psychology sounds like a particular method of reasoning or argumentation to me. Pretty sure that's the definition of logic.
     
  20. opaww

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    I don't use logic, or reverse psyschology on anti-gunner/anti-rights cockroaches. I just tell them to go Fu_k off that is the most they deserve. A beeting is the best but I am trying to stay out of jail.