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For a while now I have been talking about starting to reload.
I have previously reloaded with my brother in law but he has lost interest in just about everything. Old fart with bad attitude.
Last year I began collecting equipment to make the start. Press, bench primer, powder dispenser, dies, etc.
I'm probably 90% there now.
But now the Covid crap hit and ammo and reloading stuff is priced out of control.
Back to my original point.
Does anyone have an inside scoop as to when and if the pricing will get back to normal?
I know the firearm surge has helped create the problem. I remember when it was pretty much .22's that were impossible to find and started to cost as much as centerfire pistol rounds. Now centerfire pistol rounds have surpassed many rifle rounds.
Is this the new normal or should this come back to where it belongs.....eventually?
I'm retired on a fixed income. And I do have a few thousand rounds on hand in various calibers.
But I'm reluctant to target shoot now because I don't want to pay the ridiculous price for reloading supply or boxed ammo?
Anyone have a clue what to expect in the future.....near or not too near?
 

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Itll cycle back around. This always happens when socialist gun grabbers take power.

Just read Remington has started their ammo production back up too.

Nothing about the last popularity contest fraud or the next 2 yrs will be normal though
 

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Vista Outdoor bought the Remington ammo factory and has restarted production. They also produce Federal ammunition. Barnes, who was purchased by Remington, was sold to Sierra.
 

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If you think there is an ammo shortage, go to the auction site. There's enough to fill a few trains and ships. How much money you got? Same with guns. There's no shortage of guns.
 

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Son works in the industry (reloading). They are 4 months behind filling orders b/c/ of demand. Projections for shortages at this time is 2 years based upon present demand. Multiple reasons but manufacturing limitations in various parts of the industry are the main problem. Few manufacturers produce a product without relying on parts made by another company, many times in another country. Same goes for machinery to manufacture an item. The "happy time" is over for now.
 

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I doubt seriously that things go back to even a Trump-era version of normal. I know Chainfire will respond that it's all paranoia. I hope I'm wrong and he's right.
 

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The supply will return to normal when buying habits return to normal. As long as there is hoarding, there will be shortages. Simple economics of supply and demand. It is as if gun and ammo panic has become the normal state of affairs.

Nobody knows when, or if, the supply will return to what we think of as "normal," and when it does the cost of poker will have gone up for good.
 

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I doubt seriously that things go back to even a Trump-era version of normal. I know Chainfire will respond that it's all paranoia. I hope I'm wrong and he's right.
This ^^^

Switch your thinking. THIS is the normal. We had a remarkably under-priced goods economy for guns/ammo under Trump because the massive buildup of stockpiles under Obama and anticipation of Clinton which never happened.

If it helps, think of it this way: Obama/Clinton was similar to all the war-time production for WWII. Later, when demand collapsed and stockpiled inventories had to be liquidated, the glut of guns and ammo flooded the market and you could get dirt cheap surplus. Same thing happened on spikes and valleys from 2008-2016, and then all of that flooded the markets as we all sighed that the good guys won and the war is over! NOBODY expected Biden to win in 2020 (and he didn't). But here we are, the bad guys won and many got caught flat footed.

2017-2019 was NOT the normal. I shake my head, do people actually think this stuff should be FREE or what? Were you waiting for better pricing on stuff? What were folks doing for 3 **** years when the gun and ammo companies were begging you to buy it? Or for the decades before when the surplus stuff was literally free?? Buy a rifle for practically nothing, and get 2000 rounds of free ammo!!!! $400 ARs. $100 SKSs. $300 Glocks. $5 magazines... WTF were people doing for years and years???

This is the new normal, and I fully anticipate we will NEVER see the types of glut on the markets which were the product of post-WWII selloffs, nor will we ever see the glut of post Obama era because we can credit Trump with that and we will likely never have another Trump because of 1) election frauds, 2) that were ratified by corrupt/weak GOP and Courts, and 3) we will probably never again see the opportunities we had in 2020 squandered away again.

Brace for the fact that we are in for decades of worse and worse gun and ammo and component control and the GOP has been weak and cowardly and the Courts totally failed the Republic.

If you didn't acquire it before 2021, you're going to be looking at shortages and massive premiums and that's just how it's going to be going forward.
 

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BTW, if you look at the inflation effect, the real inflation effect, it's got to be around 25% in just the last year and probably approaching 50% since Obama's first term. So the sticker price isn't all that far off from where it really was in say, 2009 or so if you factor you lost 1/2 your buying power since then. Don't believe the lies of the CPI which fails to factor real world costs like housing, food, energy, guns, ammo, healthcare, vehicles, etc. all of which have jumped at least 50% as we borrow, print, and spent as sugary fixes to this failing economy to keep it afloat.

We had 5 Trillion national debt in 2000, then 10 trillion by 2010, and now we're clocking in north of 28 trillion in just 20 years, or over FIVE TIMES the debt we had at the turn of the century. In simple math, we lost 80% of our buying power in 2 decades by borrowing, printing, and spending like drunken sailors devaluing our currency BIGLY.

Don't believe me, go price a new vehicle, house, loaf of bread, gas (up 30% since the election), etc.
 

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Normally, Hornady critical defense 9mm ammo is about $29 a box(in my area). I just got from Gunbroker, 10 box deal for $270 + shipping works out to $31 a box, delivered. Considering the times, I'm good with that.
 

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If you didn't acquire it before 2021, you're going to be looking at shortages and massive premiums and that's just how it's going to be going forward.
And, I think, those who didn't stock up before now, if they can afford it, should pay the price and get to some minimum level of ammunition required for some basic shooting practice, home defense, and possibly hunting if that's in their plans. How much that is can differ between people but if you don't pay the price now you may never get it.
 

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I'm a little more optimistic. If the demented Biden and his radical dolt sidekicks (Chipman, Harris, etc.) continue along the line of their already solid record of colossal stupidity in decision making or lack of decision making and problem ownership (the border), people are going to get enough of it and reject and oust them in some form or fashion sooner rather than later. Don't discount anything the way it's going. They just created a black market for pistol braces and contributed to the hoarding and buying of guns even more and anything else they might ban in the future. They fed the firearm and ammo hoarding machine just yesterday. People are going to get what they want, one way or another. Continual radical stupidity leads to a lack of confidence which leads to revolt in one form or another. Ammo makers are running at full tilt and that machine will continue as long at ammo can be sold. Bottom line, ammo may be short right now but the quicker they feed change through a solid record of stupidity, the quicker the ammo issue will resolve itself. People have a lot of it and, I for one, don't want or need anymore, like many others.
 

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I'm a little more optimistic. If the demented Biden and his radical dolt sidekicks (Chipman, Harris, etc.) continue along the line of their already solid record of colossal stupidity in decision making or lack of decision making and problem ownership (the border), people are going to get enough of it and reject and oust them in some form or fashion sooner rather than later. Don't discount anything the way it's going. They just created a black market for pistol braces and contributed to the hoarding and buying of guns even more and anything else they might ban in the future. They fed the firearm and ammo hoarding machine just yesterday. People are going to get what they want, one way or another. Continual radical stupidity leads to a lack of confidence which leads to revolt in one form or another. Ammo makers are running at full tilt and that machine will continue as long at ammo can be sold. Bottom line, ammo may be short right now but the quicker they feed change through a solid record of stupidity, the quicker the ammo issue will resolve itself. People have a lot of it and, I for one, don't want or need anymore, like many others.

Black markets will get you in prison. Rape a toddler regularly for years and you can get probation but if you buy an illegal bump stock or wrist brace, Biden's DOJ will definitely prosecute you to the full extent of the law.

And, as much as I admire optimism, you're ignoring the fact that the precedence has been set, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, for the Democrats to rig elections and control the Whitehouse for the foreseeable future.
 

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The way people are buying guns and ammo should reflect how they vote in 2022 , parties over .
Well they do. These people didn't vote for Biden.
It's just that there may not be enough of them in 2022, 2024 or ever again.
Within the next two years there will be unrestricted voting in many left states and 3 million more illegals who will vote democrat just to stay here.
Every sanctuary city has no voter ID requirement. That's not an accident, it's part of the democrat socialist agenda.
 

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The way people are buying guns and ammo should reflect how they vote in 2022 , parties over .
It doesn't matter how they vote in 2022. What matters is how the vote is counted, just like in 2020 after a year of buying guns at a faster pace than ever in our history.
 

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Not every gun owner has or will vote against the Dems. Many Dems support gun ownership, but vote stupid.
Not true. If you vote for Democrats then you support gun control, abortion, never-ending global war, and an open border. No matter what any Democrat tells you, their vote for Joe Biden guarantees these things and they know it does when they voted for him. Don't let them make excuses for themselves by pretending to have a brain.
 
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