Ammo Seller To Vegas Shooter Sentenced

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by alsaqr, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Acknowledging a law or court decision exists does not mean one has to agree with it. Disagreeing with said law or decision does not prove one intends to break said law, regulation, etc.

    There are far more decisions in SCOTUS history based on what a majority of sitting judges wanted to create than on what is written in the COTUS.
     
  2. G66enigma

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    I suspect that severe, hard accountability is the only thing that's going to fix anything, with these people.

    Right now, it's endemic. The staffers, their enablers, the elected twits, the power-mongers in it for a "career" off the People's teat, and practically every single person hired into a court (along with the Court). All in the back pocket of Power. At all costs, too often. Blindly, with the RKBA.

    I really don't ever want to get to the point of tribunals, or secret courts. That's the sort of crap ol' King George dumped on the subjects, and it was a raw deal any way you look at it. Nothing makes me think secret courts or tribunals would be any less likely to be co-opted by "politics" or turned into kangaroo/railroad affairs. Far better, IMO, to keep them public, to keep them adversarial, to keep them fairly swift (for all that that's helped), and to severely go after and require independence of the judiciary.

    Of course, the trouble is, with all the wrangling over the bloody language of the BOR, most particularly in the case of the 2A, those things aren't really seen as flat prohibitions anymore. Heck, without at least that, I have a hard time seeing how we can get back to what its original intent was. That of taking off the table from consideration all those things expressly enumerated.

    Hangings for treason, in the public square, and 100% forfeiture to the People of such a person's estate -- I suspect anything less simply won't be sufficient incentive to refuse to eviscerate the BOR.
     
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  3. G66enigma

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    If true, then the problem (charge) must be due to the "armor-piercing" aspect. Not the fact it was ammo cartridges. Can't imagine that's a problem. Not with non-serialized stuff.

    All the "medical" grade equipment out there that's controlled: serialized. All the heavily-controlled arms stuff: serialized. All vehicles (above a certain size/speed), so they can get their tithe of course: serialized. Arms, so they can control the People: serialized. But ammo's not.

    Haven't seen the actual charge sheet and supposed code and/or statute #'s the guy allegedly broke.
     
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  4. alsaqr

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    Haig was charged with, indicted for and plead guilty to Engaging In The Business Of Manufacturing Ammunition Without A License

    Yep, a federal license is required to manufacture ammunition.

    https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/types-federal-firearms-licenses-ffls

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/...ness-manufacturing-ammunition-without-license

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-nv/pr/...ally-manufacturing-ammunition-without-license
     
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  5. Missouribound

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    But that isn't the point. There is no way in hell he didn't know the law regardless of what you think of it. He broke it deliberately. There is no excuse for that. In fact he may have know the shooters intentions.
     
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  6. Missouribound

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    That is the most accurate description of Joe Biden I have ever heard.
     
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  7. alsaqr

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    Yep, the perp even requested a friend lie for him.
     
  8. W.T. Sherman

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    that description fits trump like a glove more then it does biden
     
  9. Gatoragn

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    Snotbubble





    snot-bubble if one has a cold and lots of snot and is then told an incredibly funny joke, they may laugh so much that they snort out on to their face, a huge bubble of snot.
     
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  10. Ghost1958

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    We dont know who the shooter was. We know the identity of the scapegoat found dead in a pool of blood with spent brass laying on top of those pools of blood.

    Any witnesses that spoke contrary to the official yarn of a single shooter died within a month of speaking out.

    Yes there is a very legal excuse voiced by the courts themselves for disobeying gun regulation. Any law repugnant to the COTUS is null and void. Unenforceable, as if it were never written.
     
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  11. alsaqr

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    This thread ain't about the shooter.
     
  12. Ghost1958

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    Right and I didnt bring him up . Another poster did claiming Haig may have known the shooters intentions.

    I simply responded to that with the fact we more than likely dont know who the shooter/shooters were.

    Need to address your concern to the poster that DID bring up the subject of the shooter.
     
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  13. Missouribound

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    So a man who has done more for the economy in 3 years than the last 4 presidents have is stupid and arrogant? Then we need four more years of it. And arrogant....he damn well deserve to be. We had 8 years of a token apologizer who nearly bankrupted the country.
    But it appears that you would prefer a man who really doesn't know what day it is or where he is. A pawn for the DNC.
    I still care about the country more than myself.
     
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  14. ellis36

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    If there is anything Trump is not it's "stupid."

    Arrogant? Thank God he is!

    The real arrogance lies in the Democrat party, the press and the leftist rabble-rousers.

    A POTUS with a "gentle soul who speaks in a quiet, firm voice".......... the model pined for by so many ersatz republicans, would be nothing more than a phart in a windstorm in today's political climate.

    ellis
     
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  15. G66enigma

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    Nothing to show, other than the exceptionless prohibition stated in the BOR: 2A -- "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    IOW, a capable and effective People which is necessary to the security of all, the right each of those People to keep arms and to carry them shall not be encorached upon.

    Of course, power being what it is, the end result is what we've got today. In which darned near every encroachment under the sun is tolerated by the Court. Arbitrary "needs" justification to own or carry. A rifle with an inch less metal on the barrel than the next person's rifle. A knife that's a got a quarter-inch more metal on the blade than the next person's blade. Begging to the state for permission to own, or to carry. Being declared criminal for attempting to possess a given product because the State declares it hates such things, all prior to any harm or threat whatsoever done against another. Criminalized for this type of ammo, or that caliber in a rifle during a declared period of time (ie, "hunting season"). This list is almost endless. Pathetic though that is.

    In short: they're usually severely wrong, incorrect, addle-brained and near insane, with many of the RKBA-related rulings. If the train load of infringing breaches of the Constitution's prohibition tells us anything. Hell, Infringement Inc. should be their nickname, where the RKBA's concerned. It'd be more appropriate.

    Indeed, though, that's what we get for tolerance and apathy. We've allowed it, as a people. We've summarily been stripped of the a good portion of the liberty, for the most part. And constrained on much of the rest. In many counties and states, it's all but impossible to carry arms. All under the "watchful eye" of SCOTUS. Yeah. They're the arbiters. True enough. They're also bloody wrong on the thing, nine times out of ten. Not that that gets us anywhere.

    They're most definitely not fans. They're most definitely not appreciative of the fact the 2A is part of the BOR, and that the BOR is expressly a list of prohibitions designed to disallow misconstruing the intent of those individual protections. All pointless mouthings, to those people, for the most part. For the better part of the past century.

    Hard to show such people anything, where the RKBA's concerned. 'Cause they're "true believers" in the nature of power and what it takes to retain it. Irrespective of their duty, or their sworn oaths, or what's right and just.
     
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  16. ellis36

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    Mostly predicated on the "If it saves just one life it's worth it!" That one mantra has been used for every infringement on freedom since at least the '70's.

    Seat belt laws, helmet laws, every friggin gun regulation imaginable...the list is endless.

    And now, for sure, we'll be wearing masks for one reason or another the rest of our days on Earth.

    ellis
     
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  17. Gatoragn

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    The mantra will be, if it saves one snowflake from melting down, it is worth it!
     
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  18. Ghost1958

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    One does NOT need a licence to manufacture ammo. Either from new components or reloaded ammo.

    Making a business out of selling it one , according to the Gov, one does need a permission slip.
    Though hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo are sold by reloaders every year .

    I'd hazard Haig was specifically targeted to prop up the yarn spun about the Vegas shooting and no other reason.
     
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  19. Gatoragn

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    Lots of things happen in the bluegrass state without government permission. I managed a feed mill in Louisville in the late 90s, we shipped a fair amount of gamecock ration to eastern KY.
     
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  20. alsaqr

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