Ammo question

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Benning Boy, Dec 30, 2008.

  1. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Recently came across a box of 7.62x54r, in a can, belted. The can is painted green (duh) with red letters that read 88-56.

    I'm assuming but the shape of the can this was for a vehicle mounted PK machine gun.

    So I set about the task of stripping them off the belt (these are for M-44 plinking), and notice the brass of every fifth round is brighter than the rest. All of the tips are painted yellow, but the brass is noticably different.

    Any thoughts? Tracer?:confused:
     
  2. Ram Rod

    Ram Rod New Member

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    I would say tracer is a very good guess. Typically they are every fifth round on the belt fed machine guns like the M-60 and such. Most ranges disallow tracers or incendiary ammo by the way. Tracer rounds are usually identified with red, orange, or yellow paint. If you have a bullet puller, you could find out for sure.
     

  3. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    No puller, I may just have to find out the old fashioned way to be sure.
     
  4. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    You can't use standard US/ NATO military ammo tip colors for bullet ID on foreign ammo(re: WARSAW PACT or other non-NATO). Red and orange are tracer rounds by NATO standards..

    I believe if your ammo is Russian or Czech then the yellow designates a "heavy" bullet of 180-181 grains which was not a standard "ball" round of 150 grains if I remember (current issue). Does it have a copper washed or thinly plated steel jacket?
     
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  5. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I'd bet it's tracer. Load one up in your rifle, touch it off and see what happens.
     
  6. jeepcreep927

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  7. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    I've concluded either it's tracer, or they replaced the tracer with standard ball from a different lot. Head stamps are tiny, so can't make anything out there. A small packing slip in the bottom of the can would help out, if I were a linguist. Doesn't appear to be Russian, but it was a 250 round belt, and the slip states 200 of something and 50 of something else.

    Fire some this weekend, let you guys know what I discover.:eek:
     
  8. Benning Boy

    Benning Boy New Member

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    Okay, update, the packing slip is in Hungarian. The part that would be the merchandise description is handwritten, so still can't make that out.

    The world of C&R is fascinating.:cool:
     
  9. Dcomf

    Dcomf New Member

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    Like JeepCreep stated it is more than likely heavy ball ammo. Silver tip usually designates light ball ammo.
     
  10. NYPD13

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    I too have a can of 7.62x54R yellow tips, they're the heavier 182gr weight from Hungary and have a steel core as opposed to lead. Every fifth round may be AP not tracer, and if its brass and not lacquered its probably Bulgarian heavy ball 182gr steel core.
     
  11. Benning Boy

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    The fifth round has what appears to be a copper washed case. All rounds attract a magnet, so they may be either steel case or steel core.

    The mystey is killing me.
     
  12. jeepcreep927

    jeepcreep927 New Member

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    I bet they are steel jacket, lead center with a steel core. I have some Czech 308 that is constructed that way.
     
  13. Benning Boy

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    Took them out today, not tracer. Didn't do much of anything, maybe a hair more accurate than usual, leads me to think heavy ball.

    Fired off some of the non-suspect rounds, did have one case split at the top.

    Oh well, still fun plinking.