Ammo question about Aguila .22 LR Sniper Subsonic 60-gr ammo

Discussion in '.22 Rifle/Rimfire Discussion' started by somawas, Nov 12, 2011.

  1. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    I'm considering purchasing some Aguila .22 LR Sniper Subsonic 60-gr ammo. I'm currently engaged in squirrel control around my bird feeders alternating between the use of two rifles, a Ruger 77/22 and Marlin Model 980S- both bolt actions- from an open window. Since I live within the limits of a city which has an ordinance prohibiting discharge firearms, subsonic .22 rounds are a must to keep the noise down. Most shots are within ten yards, but can be out to 25 yards max. I currently use Remington Subsonic 38 gr round nose hollow point ammo with good results- both noise and kills, a little too dirty for my taste but I'll continue to use them as long as I have them and no big issue to clean the rifles at shorter intervals. I've also use CCI Subsonic
    (0056) 40 gr round nose lead hollow point- again with good results in noise levels and kills and are readily available at a gun shop that I visit on a monthly basis. However, I've had the best results with CCI Subsonic (0074) 40 gr segmented copper plated hollow point- EVERY squirrel hit has been bagged and sent to the land fill. These rounds are generally purchased on-line at a price which is better that the gun shop that I purchased my first box of 50.
    I really want is to get an opinion on whether it's worth the money to buy a brick of the Aguila .22 LR Sniper Subsonic 60-gr ammo or even one box, or should I just take the money and buy more of the CCI Subsonic segmented ammo which I've been pretty satisfied with up to now?
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    I have had some problems with 60 gr not really stabilizing- the bullet weight/length is just a bit goofy for the rate of twist of a .22 The CCI CB Longs are VERY quiet (hear the firing pin hit) and other than dropping a lot more than LR, are pretty accurate. They will not cycle a semi- except for some of my older Remingtons that have a floating chamber, and are marked S-L-LR.
     

  3. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The 60 gr will not be of any benefit. You might try CB longs which are a very light charge Some rifles will not like them either.
    You might consider a 22 caliber pellet rifle. The ones with the compressed air chambers are very quiet and powerful. The spring air guns are noisier. There are some spring air guns that have suppressors built in. Good ones are very accurate and will take a rabbit at 50'. Pellet rifles are very pellet sensitive but you are looking at $10-$12 for 500 good grade hunting pellets. Make sure you use a scope rated for air rifles as they will wreck a rifle scope.
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  4. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Well-Known Member

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    My 10/22 shoots the Aguilla SSS 60gr bullets pretty good.I was really surprised that they would stabilize with the standard twist rate,but they do with that rifle.They do drop off pretty fast,so you will need to re-zero your rifle if you shoot them.
    They also grouped around an inch at 50yds out of that rifle.

    Buy a box and try them out,if your rifle will shoot them you might like them.If it doesn't,then your only out a few bucks!
     
  5. willfully armed

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    My Marlin 60 holds 3/8-7/16" groups at 50 yards with Remington subsonic.

    2" with 60gr Aguila.
     
  6. jpattersonnh

    jpattersonnh Active Member

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    Aguila make a 38gr sub sonic that is quiter then a cap gun, you can hear the pin drop. CCI also makes a VG sub sonic, same thing but more $. Both cycle in my Marlin 60. In my old bolt gun they are very accurate and have no report.
     
  7. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    Thanks for helping me think. I'm probably going to leave the Ajuila subsonic 60 gr ammo alone and spend the money for more CCI Subsonic 40 gr ammo for which I've had really good results.

    JTJ, I started my squirrel control action with pellet rifles- some good ones at that. In my process of squirrel control, one rarely get a chance at a follow up shot before the squirrel can crawl away and die from its' wounds; as a result, the only reason to really sink the money into a "pre charged pneumatic" is for the fast repeating capability. I've got a couple of "nitrogen piston" air rifles (.177 cal. that propels a 7.9 gr pellet at 1200 fps and a .22 cal. that sends a 14.3 gr pellet 800 fps. Both pellets are hollow point) that are capable of dropping a squirrel within 35 feet/ 10.5 yards- which is the range I'm most concerned about in my back yard- and are a little more affordable. An adequate "new" pre charged pneumatic gun starts at $350 and goes up, like the Air Force Condor or Talon that start at $600 or the Crosman Rouge at $1300.
     
  8. nfafan

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    If you are talking about the Aguila 60Gr SSS rounds - they are not the quiet rounds you want.
    Look at the Colibri or Super Colibri for quiet - but neither are for rifles as you run the risk of the 20Gr bullet getting stuck in the barrel.
     
  9. BlackWidow

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    Actually, the Super Colibri are okay for rifles. 20gr solid bullet at 500 ft/s. The regular Colibri is only for revolvers. Same sized pill but the speed is only 375 ft/s.

    Both rounds have no powder, just a primer.

    Good for quiet practice, but not strong enough to cleanly kill a squirrel.
     
  10. Bigdog57

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    Depends on the rifle - most .22 rifles I have shot the Colibri from worked fine - only the Winchester 75T target rifle had a tight bore that caused a 'stickage'.
    I did get a brick of Super Colibri afterwards.
    I find the older 'vintage' rifles tend to shoot them better, and the same when using the Aguila 'SSS'rounds - different rifling rateI would guess. They work great from my Romanian M69.
    The 'SSS" was also the only ammo that would work in my Whitney Wolverine pistol when I first got it - some TLC on the chamber face fixed that. :cool:

    The Colibri and Super Colibri (350FPS and 550FPS respectively) are distance limited - about 25 yards is max, and there ain't much whack factor then. I once bounced a Colibri off the skull of a home-invading Possum at point blank range - found him dead later but he shook it off and ran - it wasn't a clean kill.
    The "SSS" has excellent "Whompability" (coined by a shooting buddy) on small critters. But the rifle has to like it to get good accuracy. It's not as quiet as you'd think either, but it has no 'CRACK!" like most .22LR ammo.
    I need QUIET too. Tried popping a squirrel once with my Red Ryder - ewww..... did he ever curse me out! Haven't heard language like that since my Navy days. :D
     
  11. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    Good info for later use. I have a couple of older .22 rimfire rifles ( Remington Sport Master Model 512X and a Glenfield-Marlin Model 25) that are chambered for short, long, and long rifle ammo. Probably will try some of the suggested/ listed .22 ammo a little later on when I have more time to fit-out/ repair and shoot the rifles.
     

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  12. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    I like the word "Whompability", exactly what I need in "bustin" squirrels within 25 yards of my bird feeders. EQUALLY important is QUIET. With the prohibition of the discharge of firearms within the city limits, I absolutely need quiet. Now, I'm using one of three scoped bolt action rifles for squirrel bustin- Ruger 77/22, Marlin Model 980SS, and Remington Model 580. Even though the Remington is a single shot, absolutely love it for what I'm doing. The ammo I'm that I've most satisfied with currently to do what I want to do is the CCI Subsonic Segmented Copper Plated Hollow Point, quiet and real effective for the kill. Is there any subsonic ammo that is quieter than the CCI Subsonic Segmented ammo (CCI-0074)?
     
  13. NickySantoro

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    OP,
    A few of my personal observations......
    The Aguila sniper round is noisier than you might think.
    The Colibri rounds are really underpowered for a clean, humane kill on a squirrel.
    I've had very good results using the Remington .22 LR CBs. They feed better than .22 longs from my Mossberg 40 and will neatly kill a squirrel. They may be a bit hard to find so you may have to order online.
    FWIW
    YMMV
     
  14. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    I'm curious, The Remington .22 ammo that you suggesting, is it the Subsonic 38 gr lead round nose hollow point ammo (Remington #21140)? If so, I've got a few rounds short of a brick in my inventory of ammo. I normally don't shoot thees rounds out of my auto-loaders (10/22) because there rather dirty. I'll shoot the Remington's out of my older bolt actions that are chambered for .22 short/long/long rifle when I want to do a little plinking. I normally use CCI's Segmented Subsonic 40 gr copper plated ammo in all of my bolt action rifles to take down pest squirrels. I like the "whompability"- as another poster coined- of the CCI Segmented ammo. They're both relatively quiet with the CCI Subsonic segmented ammo being a tad quieter.
     
  15. NickySantoro

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    It's a different item and fairly new. Stock # is 21119
     
  16. somawas

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    Did a quick online search and what comes up is Remington CBee Long Rifle Hollow Point 33 gr. A few of questions:
    I see the CBee round has considerable less velocity than the Remington and CCI sub sonic ammo. How does this ammo compare to Remington's Subsonic 40 gr hollow point ammo in sound? How about the CCI?
    It appears the bullet weight is much lighter- by 7 gr- when compared to other subsonic .22 ammo, how good is the kill for squirrels? At first thought, I can't see where it would be as effective as a 40 gr bullet, any experience?
    I can see the effectiveness of a heavier bullet- >40gr- and slower velocity- 740 fps at muzzle- but not with lighter bullet and slower velocity.
     
  17. primer

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    The 60 grainers keyholed at 10 yards from my 10-22. In my 30 year old marlin bolt action they group 3/4 inch at 50 yards, then open up to 1.5 at 75 yards, and 4 in at 100. The bullet is starting to keyhole real good at 100, but retains the thump. I shot a raccoon midsection at 60 yards , it dropped faster than I'd ever seen from a 22l.r. This ammo is definitely gun sensitive but has a high thumpability.
     
  18. lonestardiver

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    Most .22lr have a 1 in 16" twist barrel. The 60gr SSS being a much longer bullet requires a faster twist to stabilize it.
    1 in 9" seems to work for many. You can get a barrel for the 10-22 in the faster twist for that round made by E.R. Shaw.

    If you look at the SSS it looks like a 22 short with the rest bullet to make it as long as a 22lr.

    Reports I have seen is that it seems to be dirtier (either the lube and/or the powder).
     
  19. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I sometimes use the CCI CB shorts in a tube fed rifle in my garage. My rifle likes them and they appear to be accurate. Another rifle I have hates them. I am shooting at 25-45 feet. Noise level is on a par with a spring air pellet rifle. The CB longs or long rifle should be about the same noise level. Lighter bullet at lower velocity equals less noise. It would take more power/powder to drive the heavier bullet.
     
  20. somawas

    somawas New Member

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    In the past, Ive used a number of pellet rifles exclusively to drop squirrels around my bird feeders, with a preference for a .22 cal nitro piston and hollow point hunting pellet. However, the weight of the pellet, 14.3 gr max is a little light to the point that good shot placement is an absolute must. I've had to hunt down a number of squirrels to finish them off- a few have managed crawl of to die. So I prefer the .22 rimfire, more effective. Hence, looking for a quiet and "efficient" .22 rimfire round.

    Also, tried a Tactical Innovations barrel with 1:9 twist with CCI subsonic 40 gr ammo with really poor results. Will look at buying some Aguila 60 gr subsonic ammo to shoot out of this barrel while trying some other "options".
     
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