American Classic Commander

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Olympus, Mar 29, 2011.

  1. Olympus

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    I'm seriously on the verge of pulling the trigger on an American Classic Commander. I've been keeping an eye on the American Classic 1911s for the last couple years. The full sized models have really caught my eye. I'm kind of stocked up on 5" 1911s so I've never spent much time thinking about getting one. But since they have came out with a traditional 4.25" commander size, I've really gotten the itch. One came into my LGS and I'm hooked. The one they have is blued and it blows the competition in the price range out of the water in terms of fit and finish. I'm really having to resist the urge to go out and buy one.

    Anyone here have one of the AC commanders?
     
  2. Sniper03

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    I have looked at them and the American Classic Commander looks seems to be of good quality. As well as the features of the build. As far as the 4.25 barrel length I certainly do not have any problems with the shorter barrels on a good quality 1911. I have a Rock River Elite Commando later known as the Pro Carry since Colt did not like them calling them a Elite Commando!!!! WA! WA! Of course they didn't like Bushmaster or other companies using the terminology of M-4 either! *But they lost!
    It will shoot a 1 inch group out of the Ransom Rest at 50 yards. Yes I said 50 not 25. That is as good as it gets and from a 4.25" barrel as you mentioned. I also have a Colt Commander LT Wt. that was customized by Chuck Larson of Rock River and it almost shoots as good. It too is a 4.25 Barrel. If you want to see them you can go to my Gallery. Bottom line I think the American Classic would be a good choice.

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  3. Olympus

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    Man, I sure thought there would be some others here that had some experience with the AC Commander?!?
     
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  5. Olympus

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    I've those FX models as well. They seem to be more similar to the RIA models than the American Classics. I had a bust with my Armscor 1911 experience, so I'd be tempted to try the FX. The AC Commander I'm seeing advertised at about $420 and it has a very nicely polished bluing, low profile Novak-style sights, extended slide stop, and an adjustable trigger. For the extra $20, it's worth the little extras for me. I just haven't quite convinced myself to buy one yet.
     
  6. Olympus

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    I finally found one!

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  7. Jesse17

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    Looks great!

    Have you fired it yet? I'm eager to see how it feeds. Does it come with an ACT-Mag? 7 rd or 8?
     
  8. Olympus

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    It came with the 8 round ACT mag. My initial review is that I'm fairly unhappy with it. The quality of the pistol seems to be very nice. Much nicer than the Armscor guns I've had in the past. The finish is extremely nice for the price point.

    So I took the gun out to shoot it and started loading the mag. The mag had issues right off the back. After two rounds loaded, the follower would bind up and wouldn't go down. I took the mag apart to clean it out, but there wasn't any need. I inspected the mag for dents and deformations, but didn't find any. So I wanted to try shooting the gun with two rounds loaded in the mag. Still wouldn't work. When the mag was locked into the gun, it would drop the angle of the round. Instead of the round being angled up toward the throat, the round was sitting horizontal and would not chamber at all.

    I just got done trying different mags, higher quality mags. The same thing happened. I couldn't get a single round to chamber, whether using the slide release or sling shotting the slide. So it looks like the gun will be going back to the warranty center tomorrow.
     
  9. Jesse17

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    I don't know if you've saw the thread on My American Classic II but I had the same problem any time the mag was loaded with 8 rds, the top cartridge (or two) would nose dive into the feed ramp at too low of a spot for it to feed, and after the first two rounds it would still occasionally do the same thing.

    Anyway, I picked up a Chip McCormick magazine and had the same problem. CA357 put me onto Tripp Cobra Mags and with a little searching I found that Cane REALLY recommends them and got JD to do a review on them. I ordered one and it ran 6 mags through flawlessly!

    I haven't gotten a chance to run any more through it, but I know that it ran the 6 mags without a flaw, during which time I tried the CMC mag 3 more times and it nose dived every time. The ACT mag nose dived about 50%+ of the time.

    I saw in my research before buying the gun that this is a problem, and some people have gotten it fixed by using better mags (like I think I did), at least one person fixed it by polishing (re-angeling) the feed ramp), but no one I've seen has gotten it fixed by sending it back for repair. They just send it back with the same problem.

    Here's a link to JD and Canes review... Tripp's Cobra magazine Test
     
  10. Olympus

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    I tried Chip McCormick, Checkmate, and factory Colt mags. All did the same thing no matter how many rounds were loaded in the mag. I even tried all the different mags with only one round loaded. Still the same.

    I'm thinking that it has something to do with the way the mags are locking into the frame and have noted that numerous people are having difficulties with the same thing and the mag release was the culprit. When I load my mags, everything looks good until the mag "clicks" and locks into place. Once it clicks in, it drops the angle of the mag which makes the round sit perfectly horizontal. It won't feed at all. It's just going to have to go back to the warranty center.
     
  11. Jesse17

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    Oh, that's a little different than my problem. Mine was the top cartridge in the mag changing angle so it's level, not the whole mag itself. I wondered a little about the mag release on mine too as when it's locked in (only with the ACT mag) there's quite a gap between the bottom of the mag and the grip, and you can push the mag in until it's tight, but the spring pressure pushes it back out. The other two mags don't move once they're locked in.

    Hope it works out for you, they seem to be a hell of a gun for the price if you can get their bugs worked out.
     
  12. Olympus

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    It shipped to a warranty center today. I will keep you posted.
     
  13. KentuckyBob

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    Is everyone having this same problem with the mags? I was interested in one of these pistols but don't won't those kinds of problems.
     
  14. Jesse17

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    From what I've seen, YES. I've seen a couple people post that they have never had a problem feeding any ammo with the ACT mags that come with them. But, I think the majority of people have to replace the mags, and some say that doesn't even fix the problem.

    Mine is running smoothly with the Tripp mags.
     
  15. Olympus

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    From everything I'm seeing, the main problems seem to be feeding and magazines. I'm not seeing hardly any kind of other problems. Most people are saying the feed problem is a result of the mag catch being out of whack and a replacement almost always fixes the problem. The problem with the mags, in my opinion, is that they are just poor quality.

    My gun just got delivered to the warranty center today, so I don't know what specifically is wrong with mine yet. I will post when I find out more. Honestly, I had higher hopes for the gun. I was dissatisfied with a Citadel Compact I had a few years ago and I've not held back on my feelings about Armscor. But to be honest, I had a much better first experience with the Armscor than I have with the American Classic. The AC is going to have to hold up better in the long haul for me to say it's better than the Citadel. Only time will tell.
     
  16. Olympus

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    Update on the progress. I called yesterday to follow up and see what the problem was with the gun and to get an estimated time for return. They said they still haven't gotten to it yet.
     
  17. Jesse17

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    You would think that beings EVERYONE has the same issue with their guns, they would just fix the problem at the factory. :mad::rolleyes:
     
  18. Olympus

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    I'm of the same opinion. But apparently the party line is that American sales are only a small portion of overall sales of Metro Arms, so just because there are quite a few of us in the US with this problem doesn't mean that "everyone" else has the same problem. At least that's what I've been told.

    So far, the gun has spent more time at the warranty center than it has in my possession. And I've yet to put a full mag through the gun.
     
  19. Jesse17

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    So, they must sort them at the factory and only send us the bad ones?:eek:
     
  20. Olympus

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    I just called Reynerson's to follow up on my gun. They said it just got done. They had to re-cut the frame, re-polish the feed ramp, re-polish the barrel throat, replace the mag catch and mag release, replace the slide stop, replace and re-tune the extractor, and replaced the defective mag. They said they also threw in an extra mag for the trouble. It seems like the gun I bought had a few more problems than most people are seeing. They put 3 full mags of ball ammo through it and 1 mag of JHP ammo through it without any malfunctions. I'm looking forward to getting it back and actually getting to shoot it and enjoy it.