American Classic 2?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by indyfan, Dec 11, 2010.

  1. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    While my sister and her boyfriend were shopping for a .22 rifle at our local gun store, I was talking with the other Dealer working at the counter.

    I told him I was thinking about getting a .45 ACP and I told him I was leaning more towards a good 1911 but I didn't want to pay too much.

    Right away he showed me a 1911 called "American Classic 2"

    He explained all the nifty features and specs and then mentioned it was made in the Phillipines.

    Hearing "Made in Phillipines" made me shrug, but before I could say anything, he placed the gun in my hand and said "Give it a feel"

    It was wonderful, felt great in my hand, but I still wasn't so sure about buying it. I don't like jumping into buying a Gun (especially a 1911) without reading reviews or getting a second opinion from people here on the forums.

    So I was just wondering if anyone owned an American Classic 2 or has fired one before?

    I tried researching it, but didn't find out much about it, other than I think Bersa makes it (yikes)

    any feedback or comments would be great. I decided to get a 1911 as a little Christmas present to myself this year.

    This'll be my first 1911. :eek:
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    There are (were?) two manufacturer's in the Phil. RIA and SAM. RIA seems to be better than SAM in what parts are used. If you decide to purchase the AC2, The key thing is to keep an eye on parts. Watch for accelerated wear. But for the most part, you should not be disappointed with handgun overall.

    I believe Southern Ohio Guns and centerfiresystems also sell them. From what I seen, they are not too bad for the price.
     

  3. crazycharlie2

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    Remington 1911R1 at Gander Mt $649. Just a thought;)
    Doesn't have all the 'bells and whistles' of a custom. I wanted something more along the traditional lines. It does have a match barrel and a 3.5-5 lb trigger pull to name a few. I have one, been to cold out to take it to the range, but have confidence, based on other user reports, it will shoot ok.
    The reason I didn't get a mail order is I wanted to see what I was buying. Remington packaging leaves a lot to be desired. (insufficent packing or padding material around the pistol itself).
     
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    This is just my opinion but, the 1911 is a hand gun with 100 years of successful history behind it. However, not every 1911 manufacturer executes the build of the gun using the same processes and commitment to quality parts.
    I enjoy all the 1911's I own but four of them were made here in the good ole USA and there not the cheapest models available.
    If I had it to do over again I would start my 1911's out with the Remington shown above or maybe a Springfield Armory because they have a favorable reputation and their customer service groups seem to perform acceptably. In addition you can do a lot of customizing to these guns as well as learn how to work on a gun without worrying about ruining something that may have cost $1,500.
    I'm sure you'll enjoy your gun what ever you decide to do and I wish you good luck.
    Remember, many good values can be had with a used gun.
     
  6. Sniper03

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    I personally would stay away from one!
    There have been some 45s made in the Philippines over the past several years.
    They are less than high quality. Most have Mimed Parts (Cast) and as a result softer metal causing wear as stated by one of the other guys in this post. Wait! Save your money my friend and invest in a good quality 45 if you want one. Of course Springfield's XD, Glock and others have good 45s for shooting. The are not 1911 style which I also like. I have a Colt Commander Customized and a Rock River Arms Elite (Which is now called the Pro-Carry)
    They are top quality pieces and not inexpensive but it is a lifetime investment if I choose to keep them which I do.
    If he offered you that 1911 Philippine 45 ACP New for $350-$450? my suggestion would be to run!
     
  7. Sniper03

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    By the way Canebrake sent the picture of that Remington Model 1911 45ACP. That would be a good way to go for the price. And you know it is not junk!
    Not a bad price at all for a nice 45 ACP.

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  8. jackg

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    MIM is:
    The process involves combining fine metal powders with plastic binders which allow the resulting metal powder and plastic mix to be injected as a liquid into a hollow mold using equipment similar to standard plastic injection molding machines. After the part is cured (or cooled) and de-molded, but before the plastic binding matrix is removed, the part is referred to as a 'green part'. The next step is to remove the plastic binders from between the metal particles with the application of solvents, thermal or BASF's catalytic process. The resulting slightly porous (2-4% "air") metal part is sintered at temperatures great enough to bind the surfaces of the particles to one another, but not enough to melt the metal outright. Densities of 96-98% of that of solid, forged parts are common.
     
  9. Sniper03

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    JACK

    Is correct exactly my error on using the word cast it is a molded part. And this is the number one question that always comes up when people ask about a high quality 45. Does it have any Mim parts.
     
  10. indyfan

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    I was looking at a 1911 R1. Beautiful gun, but it doesn't come with alot extra little features. That may be what I end up with though, we'll see what happens.



    Thanks for the feedback guys, it helps alot in my decision making. What do you folks think about the Charles Daly 1911?
     
  11. danf_fl

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    Charles Daly 1911 is also from the PI. Off the shelf parts (read drop in parts) would not fit without serious work to them. Finally got disappointed and sold it.
     
  12. Sniper03

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    Indy

    I have no experience with the Charles Daly 1911. But I understand they are making a decent AR-15 Rilfe and from experience I know they make some fantastic shotguns and have for several years. I have an over and under Superior Grade 12 Ga and it is very high quality and a beautiful shotgun. I could only assume they would build NO JUNK! In their 1911 Pistol?

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  13. jackg

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    Remington made 1911's for many years and then ceased production but re-introduced it earlier this year or late last year. It's dependable.
    Which "a lot of features" are you referring to?
    I have no experience with the Charles Daly 1911 but I do believe it's made in the Philipines.
     
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    If it is made in the Philippines! That in itself is scary!
    Like some of the other 45s they have and still make there.
    They usually run about $350.00 What does that tell you!

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  15. danf_fl

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    Confirming that indeed it is (was) made in the PI. Charels daly of late was not the quality of years ago.
     
  16. indyfan

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    Alright, well I can see that the Charles Daly would be a poor choice.


    So now it comes down to either the Para GI Expert or Rem 1911 R1


    thoughts?
     
  17. jackg

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    Remington is the proper choice.
     
  18. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    That's my vote!

    After finding out about the Charles Daly that was inquired about. "The Philippines" There is no question for the money and known quality the Remington hands down! That is also a good price on them also for that nice of pistol. I have never shot one but maybe some day. Would like to test one out. I am going to the Shot Show in January and want to take a close look at one. I shot a Double Star 45cal. 1911 a while back, that shot well but I do not know what the price is on them and the details of manufacture. Seemed like a nice piece?

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  19. NGIB

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    I've owned a number of Rock Island 1911s and they are good solid guns. Many folks will complain about MIM parts but I've NEVER had a part fail and I've owned and shot a lot of 1911s. I've never owned any other brand that's made in the PI so I can't comment but the Rock Island is a good value. If the MIM stuff bothers you - swap out the parts.

    IMHO. the best low priced, entry level 1911 is the Springer Mil-Spec (not the GI). Decent sights, flared & lowered ejection port, forged frame & slide, no firing pin block, and capable of hosting a .460 Rowland kit with no problems. I paid about $400 for the last one I picked up used...
     
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  20. cpttango30

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    NGIB when you ask the anti-mim people they have never had a part fail it was always a friend of a guy that knows a guy that had a wilson combat and then knew another guy who bought a kimber who knew a guy that said another guy at another range had a Daily 1911 blow up on him because it was full of mim parts.