America Alone

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by hillbilly68, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. hillbilly68

    hillbilly68 New Member

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    Upon a recommendation from the fuzzy phallus I bought America Alone by Mark Steyn. Wanted to throw up a few thoughts about it...

    First off, it is well worth the read. Recommend it. It is a fairly quick read, took a couple of evenings to get through it. However, like JD said it is dry and loaded with statistics at points. But they are necessary to prove the author's point.

    Some things were a surprise to me, a lot I was already aware of. IMO he identifies three issues that are the crux of the problem (although his chapters aren't broken into these three areas distinctly). I'll try not to spoil any potential readers and keep it as general as possible so you can enjoy th ebook on your own.

    The death of the western culture will come as a result of population growth and lack of, the political correctness and appeasement toward a culture that is incompatable with ours, and finally a lack of willingness for the "moderates" to publically comdemn the actions of the "extremists".

    The population statistics are disturbing. The author put it in terms of "x country will lose half of its population every 20 years" due to low, non sustainable birth rates. He provides data that supports his arguments very well. Again, very dry but worth the effort.

    He makes an argument that we will lose out to a culture that will not fight us outright, but will win via a concerted effort to out-breed and leverage our self-loathing and political correctness. He uses Europe as the current example and although there are some comparisons between us and them, he contends that we aren't there yet. But we could be eventually.

    The lack of outcry over acts of violence from within is another enabler for the spread of the extremism. Although he talks about this, I believe he could have spent a little more time on the subject and not detracted from the work.

    My interest was mostly peaked by his examples of concessions made by the westerners. Europe is in the later stages of the spread, but it doesn't take long. It is an exponential growth once it starts.

    I think he is right on track with his assessment of how Europe will go. They don't have the sack to prosecute a fight, even on their own turf. Through a lack of will they will succomb to the muslim will in a couple of generations. Have fun with that one. Think you can co-exist in a muslim country? Try taking a Bible through Saudi Arabia and see what happens. Try flying through Saudi and see which airport terminal you go through because you are a "non believer". Try driving toward mecca. Make sure you exit at the sign that says (in English) "non believers exit now". No kidding.

    I agree with the author, we have grown so self-loathing and apologetic over the years as a nation. We seem to equate pride with hate for others. I disagree with this completely. I am PROUD to be in the greatest Nation the earth has ever witnessed. I am proud of my heritage, my religion, my family, my Country, my state. It doesn't mean I hate yours.
     
  2. Dillinger

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    Excellent Post Hillbilly. Really well written and conveyed much of what I had taken from the book.

    It was truly disturbing that through the reading, so you could see the outright "infiltration" of Europe just as described the stages of cancerous growth from the inside to get to the point of almost complete surrender in very little actual time.

    I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND this book to anyone wishing to gain some insight into the future in our continued "non-battle" with Islam.

    JD
     

  3. McNabb11b

    McNabb11b New Member

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    Do I smell a book review thread? Possibly the FTF Book Club? :D
     
  4. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    I've lived with this for years here in LA. Many of the billboard is my neighborhood are in Spanish. About half our radio stations are Spanish speaking. I think I heard that 80% of the public school children are Mexican descent. We now have a mayor of Mexican descent, and he is thinking of running for Governor. I am by far a minority in this city now. And once Obama and the dems. give amnesty to all the illegal living here, this part of the country will in effect belong to Mexico by way of illegal immigration and breeding.
     
  5. mpd8488

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    I read it a couple of years ago. I think he had a good point about what Europe is doing, but I really didn't like the subtle (well oftentimes not so subtle) theme of working to ensure that white people come out on top. His motivations were far too racial and had much less to do with protecting the republic than they did with xenophobia.

    Also, I think a book review subsection would be a great addition
     
  6. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    Do I need a bread av? Maybe are marietta truck?
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Only if you want to join SIR Benning Boy's posse of taunting me with my lone food weakness... LOL

    JD
     
  8. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    Dang it, JD! You are gonna make me call you on this.

    PIZZA, YUMMY PIZZA
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    I do love's me some pizza, but I can stay away from it, even though every Friday is pizza day at the shop. I love pizza, and I love to eat it, especially when fresh, but there are only a few places I have found in the country that have truly UNBELIEVABLE pizza that I can't say no too.

    Donato's in Indianapolis is Amazing

    There is this street corner pizza that is part of a chain in Chicago, it's called, 'Cago Boys or something like that, that is truly great.

    West Coast Pizza in San Francisco, or was that Left Coast ( ? ) has the best crust and alfredo sauce I have ever had. I ate that twice a week when I was there...

    But around here, in Washington, I haven't found a pizza I can't do without. :rolleyes:

    Don't get me wrong, I loves me some pizza, but if I had my choice between Washington Pizza, and Hot Sourdough with whipped butter, I am ALL ABOUT the sourdough... LOL

    JD
     
  10. Jo da Plumbr

    Jo da Plumbr New Member

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    I think JD just ate his keyboard
     
  11. bkt

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    Steyn is a great speaker and writer, and his humor is great. America Alone is an outstanding book and well worth reading. The only thing I did not care about it was Steyn injecting light-heartedness or humor on very serious and sobering topics; there's a time and place for that. This book wasn't it, IMO.

    As long as we're recommending books, let me throw out the following suggestions:
    • 1776 by David McCullough
      Really interesting because there is correspondence from those who fought in the early days of the war. Fascinating!
    • His Excellency: George Washington by Joseph Ellis
      You will develop a new respect for this genius. He was the right man at the right time for the right job. And his job was unenviable!
    • The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes
      We focus on those who were unemployed during the great depression, but this book shines a bright light on the folks who were employed and suffered at the hands of government as a result during this time.
    • The 5000 Year Leap by W. Cleon Skousen
      Brilliant argument showing how our system of government is unique and how it radically transformed the concept of government that had been in place throughout recorded history. (Unfortunately, we are sliding back into the old ways and dispensing with our system of government that made America great.)
    • John Adams by David McCullough
      Often overlooked, Adams was brilliant. Logical, direct, driven, focused.
    • Alexander Hamilton by Ron Chernow
      Excellent history of Hamilton. Honestly, I came away with far less respect for Hamilton than I had before I read the book.
    • Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell
      True-life story of how a Navy Seal, Marcus Luttrell, survived an overwhelming fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan and dealt with locals who took him in and tended to his wounds.
     
  12. McNabb11b

    McNabb11b New Member

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    Here is a good book that I recommend to anyone interested in good fiction about Montana. Where The Sea Used To Be by Rick Bass. In fact any book by Rick Bass. He has well developed characters, strong plot lines, and a unique perspective on anything that he describes. I strongly recommend.