Amateur Product Analysis

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by ColdIron44, May 13, 2012.

  1. ColdIron44

    ColdIron44 New Member

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    Hello all,

    I read this forum religiously every night, but with nothing to contribute, I seldom post here. But after "breaking in" my latest purchase, I figured it was time to throw in my two cents.

    I had my eye on a stainless Colt XSE. I ended up with a Springfield Armory Loaded Model. This long, sad story need not be explained here, but after all's said and done, I am pleased with my purchase, and would like to share my experiences with those that care to listen.

    The gun:
    Springfield Armory Loaded 1911-A1 (stainless on stainless)
    Upswept beavertail grip safety, ambidextrous thumb safety, "Novak-style" rear sight, yada, yada, the spec sheet can be found here http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?version=3 on the S.A. website.
    The gun is presented in a hard plastic, foam lined case with two magazines, a paddle holster, double mag pouch, nylon bore brush, and a coupon for many reasonably priced Springfield Armory products. Walked out the door for pennies over $900, a bit steep for this product, but it was worth the ability to test fire it before the purchase. Not to mention how difficult it is to find anything but Kimbers on the shelves in my neck of the woods...

    The ammo:
    Monarch Brass, 230gr. TMJ. $18.99/50rd. = $200 and change for 500 rounds.

    The "Canebrake 500" break in:
    After the initial cleansing of packing greases, and subsequent re-lubrication, I noted the slide's action to be quite stiff, with obvious hang-ups in its travel. I chalked it up to the nature of stainless steel and hoped that 500 rounds might soften things up a bit.

    The gun, and both magazines, passed the 500 round function test flawlessly, with no malfunctions of any kind. I felt the "Canebrake 500" to be a very adequate assessment of the weapon's functionality, and my only addtion was to include a few magazines dumped in very rapid fashion. I set aside 4 hours of the morning to complete this task, as I planned for many breaks to allow the barrel to cool, since I prefer not to overheat my guns. To my surprise, the gun's mostly stainless components cooled exceptionally quickly, barrel included, and I finished this chore in 2 hours.

    The accuracy:
    I ran through all 500 rounds at 10 yards. While I was not shooting for accuracy, it is impossible for me to shoot without at least a half-assed attempt to put bullets on top of each other. I never once measured a grouping, but from ten yards away, it appeared as if I could quickly put 7 rounds in a 2 inch circle. When the time comes to shoot for bullseyes, I imagine the Springfield trigger will hold me back, as it leaves something to be desired. There is indeed so much travel before the break that it almost requires a shift of my finger in order to take out the slack. That being said, it is an average trigger, at an average price, so I didn't expect too much and can easily admit I have pulled far worse triggers. As for the "Novak-style" fixed rear sight, I am thoroughly impressed. Sight picture is acquired and maintained easily and naturally. Springfield Armory states the sights are zeroed for a 6 o'clock hold at 25 yards. The point of impact at 10 yards appeared to be roughly 2 inches low with a 6 o'clock hold, and roughly 1 inch low with point of aim. (Again, these are very rough estimates, as I was not shooting off the bench, and I never once measured these groups). This is easily corrected by raising the front sight bead out of horizontal alignment, something to keep in mind for those who purchase this pistol for self-defense.

    The aftermath:
    When the shooting was over, I started to regret the "Canebrake 500" as that dirty Monarch ammo did a real number on the gun. Took me the same amount of time to clean it as it did to shoot it! On the positive side though, the slide had worked out some of its rough spots and was noticeably smoother. The gun performed flawlessly, and, aside from Springfield's ugly crossed cannon rollmark, she's a good looker too. The checkered Cocobolo wood grips are beautifully done, but unfortunately got stamped with those ugly cannons, so the Diamondback snakeskin grips should be here shortly!

    The purpose of this wordy write-up was to share my experiences with this gun for educational purposes. In the case that one of y'all is sitting on the fence between Springfield Armory and Company 'X', you might at least know what to expect out of this pistol, to assist in making an informed decision.

    Many thanks to the regular posters in this forum who unknowingly influenced my decision to purchase this firearm. Your knowledge, and the willingness to share it, is an invaluable asset to me. My bank account may never recover from the 1911 fever I have contracted... Now about that Colt...

    -Tom
     
  2. fmj

    fmj Active Member

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    Hooray!!! Well written.

    If i may...

    I happen to dig on the Springfield Armory "trademark" crossed canon roll mark...not ugly at all but a fixture in american history!

    Drop in a wilson combat trigger group and you will have a gun that puts any kimber to shame!
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Great report! Thanks.

    Quality ammo is the way to go. Should problems arise, it is easy to blame the firearm when the ammo is the culprit during break-in period
     
  4. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    good writeup! very well written and will be useful information for someone wanting input on a Springfield. i too like the crossed cannons on my SA Micro Compact 45. i have owned several SA 1911's over the years and wouldn't hesitate in buying another because of the quality and accuracy.
     
  5. kytowboater

    kytowboater Active Member

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    Enjoyable to read! Thank you for taking the time to do so. I have been curious about SA 1911s. Enjoy!
     
  6. ColdIron44

    ColdIron44 New Member

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    My sincerest apologies to the crossed-cannon advocates out there! In my eyes they appear cartoon-like, and there's only one cartoon-like cannon for me; It's black on a white flag with the words, "COME AND TAKE IT!"
     
  7. bartwatkins

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    Also (in addition to fmj's trigger group advice) the Super Match Trigger Group from C&S(Cylinder & Slide) is an excellent choice too. I have that installed on my SA Loaded and my trigger is butter now.
     
  8. ellwood45c

    ellwood45c New Member

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    Great read thanks for the post. I also like the cannons but thats just me. I had just about the same experience when i got my SA.

    Sent from my iPhone using FirearmsTalk
     
  9. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    The coupons for SA stuff included in the box...you can get a lot of that same stuff for half the coupon price at midway. Other than that, I like the crossed cannons too.

    :) enjoy. I got the SA milspec, absolutely love it. Yeah, the trigger has a bit of take up on mine too.
     
  10. canebrake

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    Amateur analysis my azz! That is one damn fine report ColdIron44.

    And that's "Mr. Canebrake 500" to all you mooks. :p

    I see I'm going to need to explain this "Canebrake 500" school of thought once again.

    ALL GUNS DO NOT NEED TO SEND 500 ROUNDS DOWN-RANGE TO COMPLETE THE CANEBRAKE, NEW-GUN CHECK-OUT!

    If the new gun (ie: my new Commander) runs say, three boxes (150 rds) of 230gr ball without a single hiccup, and the gun is to be used for carry, I will start to introduce PD ammo and continue the test. If it likes the JHP's I've tested I settle on one brand and if it runs 50-100 rounds glitch-free, I'm happy and feel the gun is ready for carry. This can put a quality pistol into service in as few as 300 rounds.

    If the gun is to be used for plinking, range lizard or competition and 200 rounds have been spent with NO ISSUES, you're GTG.

    Now my repeated reference to 500 rounds is for those guns that experience some form of trouble out of the box. If you do experience FTF, FTE, hang-fire, light primer strikes, brass in your face, brass in the next county, POA does not match POI, no slide lock-back, fit & finish issues.................but the gun does continue to fire, albeit erratic, you should not complain, call the gun shop or call the manufacture until you have a minimum, 500 rds of 230gr ball downrange.

    My reason for this suggestion is simple. They (see above) will ask you the following;
    1. How many rounds have you fired?
    2. What type of ammo?
    3. Have you made any modifications to the gun?

    If your answer to #1 is <500 rds they will tell you to shoot it some more.
    If your answer to #2 is anything other than ball ammo they will tell you that's your problem.
    If your answer to #3 is yes, they will probably void your warranty.

    If your answer to #1 is >500 rds and,
    If your answer to #2 ball ammo and,
    If your answer to #3 is no, they will probably send you a will-call ticket and have you send your gun back for warranty work.

    Simply put, don't b1tch until you give the gun a chance to settle in. If you experience premature complaining the customer service person will see you in the same light as your girlfriend would.
     
  11. ColdIron44

    ColdIron44 New Member

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    It was oddly coincidental how events unfolded the morning of my range test; I brought with me a gun that I was looking to sell, and was finally offered a reasonable price for it ($200) at the range. Funny enough, $200 will buy you 500 rounds of cheap .45 ball. Having just read "Mr. Canebrake's 500" thread a few nights prior, I made up my mind to do a write-up utilizing this function test. Now by round 200 or so, I knew I had a shooter, but with all that ammo on the table it was just so doggone hard to stop!

    Cane, I intentionally referenced your method in its most literal fashion because I think it is geared towards the new shooter, and in that respect it is an excellent answer to, "Do I need to break in my new gun?" Seldom is there a single answer to any question, especially pertaining to firearms, but to the new shooter what better advice exists than, "Get out there and send 500 downrange!" The unmentioned side-effect is that, without question, after 500 rounds you will be intimately familiar with the function and performance of your firearm.

    So have I or will I put a weapon into service before the 500th round? You better believe it. But for simplicity's sake and in the effort to educate the untrained masses, my vote, Mr. Canebrake, is for you to keep repeating the number 500!

    (The more I say it, the more it sounds like the Indy 500. You'd better make it 1000, and call it the Canebrake Grand.)
     
  12. canebrake

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    Thank you ColdIron, and I'm glad someone got the gist of my rant of a couple of months ago. :eek:

    For those of you that get it, I'm sorry for the redundancy. For those of you that don't, I'll keep trying. ;)
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  13. fmj

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    BAH! Dont apologize dude! Its personal preference. If you dont like it, thats your call.

    Still a damn fine shootin' iron! Its just when i had gotten MINE all those years ago it had come with the cool stuff yours did. I.E. paddle holster, double mag pouch. Mine only came in the blue box with an extra mag.:( I like the looks of the grips that come on 'em now a LOT better than the plain jane wood grips mine came with!

    LOL! Thats why i suggested the Wilson Combat trigger group...thats whats in my S/A loaded. ( i also put a kimber owner to shame, someday i should relate that tale ;))
     
  14. therewolf

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    My Springer 1911A1 is special because it's a gift from my

    daughter. The Canebrake 500 did the trick for me.

    I use a little grease on the slide rails to ensure trouble-free

    operation.

    A few drops of ATF with a Q-tip on internal parts, between cleanings,

    to dramatically cut down on cleaning time.