am i off base here?

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by CaseyChadwell, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Here is my thinking...the president of this country takes an oath to uphold and protect the constitution, I'm assuming all lawmakers when voted in would have to as well. I don't know for sure, but would think the federal agents would have to as well and I know as a recruit in the US military you have to take an oath to defend the country and the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic. With that said, why isn't anyone bringing up the fact that an assault on any of our rights is directly breaking the oath that these lawmakers take when they enter office? I would also venture to say that some lawmakers including the president could be impeached and convicted of treason (maybe) for trying to take away the rights that the fathers of this country fought to make sure we had. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of men and women who have fought bled and died to protect the constitution? Is my thinking correct, at least in theory? The people hold the power in this country, isn't that what the fathers of the constitution and this country wanted? Why are Americans giving their rights up?
    The thought that the people we vote into office are using their powers to harm the people they are supposed to protect makes me sick...I'm moving to Texas, may be America's alimo.
     
  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Casey, your thoughts are noble, and I share them. I swore the oath on 3APR61.

    But the American people no longer support the constitution. They proved that on 6NOV12.
     

  3. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I took mine in nov2001...my mother's birthday actually.

    However, noble is not what I'm going for. I'm shooting more for change, not the kind that w were promised the last two elections , but back to a country that I can be proud of all the time instead of sometimes. I'm only 28 and I have two beautiful boys who are 6 & 12 and I want them to have a nation that they are proud of and something that my grandfather will be proud of. I wish I had the answers on how to fix the country that I love, but I don't. I know that I would be upset if the first amendment or third amendment was under attack just like I am that my second amendment is under attack.

    Now I'm watching the news and I see that as the country that I love is falling apart financially and otherwise, our fearless leader is back in Hawaii on vacation. I'd like to go on vacation, but my two jobs get in the way of that. Politicians make me sick with their better than you attitudes. I say we fire them all and start over fresh.

    Sill think we should try these politicians that vote to take away our rights for treason and take back the country that these people are ruining...
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    There is an organization (I don't think it has been outlawed yet)
    www.oathkeepers.com

    Check it out
     
  5. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My friend, you are preaching to the choir. I share your beliefs. I have a son that was 40 in Sep. I want a better country for him and his wife.

    I would do almost anything to bring that about. I've been fighting for that my entire life..

    I study politics, I vote, I contribute money to candidates I believe in, I walk door to door, I write letters, I lobby at the legislature....I don't know what more I can do.

    Sometimes I feel like a soldier that lost a battle. I didn't prevail, but I have the personal satisfaction of knowing that I fought as hard as I could.

    Theodore Roosevelt said:

    "Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered with failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."


    So keep fighting, even when defeat seems inevitable. I've been on the side of "defeat" far more often than "victory" over the years, but I will keep fighting while I have breath.

    After all, that oath ends with "SO HELP ME GOD." Only HE can release us from it.

    We are all comrades-in-arms.
     
  6. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I agree. I too have been defeated more than victorious in many things, but I try to keep going. It's just aggrivating when the people are supposed to be the ones giving the politicians the right to do things in America but it's the politicians that take the rights from the people and tell us what rights we have. Its sickening really. This country, in my short time on earth, has moved backwards. I believe in the democratic way, but every day those beliefs are out in question more and more when I see the way these people are ruining the country that I love so much.

    I fear that politicians are in it more for the substantial salary rather than for the country and the people anymore. We need more Americans like my grandparents were...proud and honorable and not afraid to fight for what they believe in. My grandpa is prolly rolling in his grave at what this country is becoming.
     
  7. CrazedJava

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    We've made oaths meaningless in this country. Part of it is partisanship. We don't hold our leaders accountable and we're so worried about the "other" party that we don't vote out the people we see breaking their oaths.

    As an independent who leans right, I'd be perfectly happy to vote out a poor performing Republican just to put an incoming Democrat on notice. "Hey, we voted out the other guy and he was one of us. You better perform well or you're next." Frankly, I think a lot of politicians act the way they do because they have no worries about ever getting voted out of office.
     
  8. Holmes375

    Holmes375 New Member

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    While an oath means something to the likes of you and I it is merely a mundane formality to the professional politician whom quickly dismisses it from mind.
     
  9. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Again, I agree. I am a registered democrat. While working for the state of Kentucky I was voted in as a local union president. I know some of you won't like that, but that's fine. Work where I did and then come talk to me. Anyway, I found that the most sympathetic state politicians were republicans even though republicans are viewed as not liking unions. It was easier for me to get meetings and results when talking to republicans than dems. There was one democrat state representative that I grew very fond of because his views of politics closely resembled mine. He was a lifelong member of the nra and supported state employees vigorously. I have never voted straight democrat as I have never voted straight republican. I vote the man or woman not the party.

    It's easy for Americans to fall prey to their party lines bc so much time money AND effort is wastes bashing the other side of the aisle. I'll be the first to admit that rand Paul was not someone I voted for bc I thought his ideals were extreme, now I have a letter typed up to send to him praising his views and his "extreme" opinions. I was dooped by the dems into thinking he was radical when in fact he was just what we need.
     
  10. CrazedJava

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    It is a good example of "All politics are local".

    We definitely need to work with what we have and hold our leaders accountable. Different areas have different needs and I refuse to believe one party platform is ever going to fully encompass or agree with my personal beliefs.
     
  11. CaseyChadwell

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    And blaming a firearm for deaths is like blaming a hammer for missing the nail when building a home and breaking your finger. Its not the tools fault for the actions it is forced to do, it is the operator's. I have never heard of a contractor banning hammers for breaking an employee's hand. I have heard of contractors not hiring idiots to do jobs where idiots don't belong. If someone is mentally ill and either homicidal or suicidal keep firearms locked up In the home away from said person. That fixes that part of it. Crack down on gun crime and the criminal and crime will lessen. Take guns away from lac and crime goes up...that's how it works.
     
  12. chuckusaret

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    The oath taken by our fearless leaders means nothing they have never served or been placed in harms way, but most of all, as written, blocks their agenda. I first took the oath on Feb 8th 1953 and have taken it 6 additional times on reenlistment in the service and 4 times when elected to public office.
     
  13. Chainfire

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    I took the oath in 1970 upon joining the Navy. As long as we have free and fair elections in this country, the only thing that will relase me of my promise is death.

    The following year I once again swore, on a bible, to my wife, only death relieves me of that promise as well.

    I take oaths deadly serious.
     
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    As people have stated here, we take oaths seriously. Some of our reps and POTUS do not. The diff is they have power to dissolve our protections, the average American doesn't have this power. If you take the oath and don't follow it it's TREASON in my book. What is the punishment for treason???
     
  15. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    I understand that the government has the power, but it's not supposed to be that way. The constitution and the bill of rights was written the way it was so the people had the power. When did Americans give that up?
     
  16. CrazedJava

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    Some people want to be ruled. You must know people that are perfectly comfortable letting others tell them what they should think.

    Most people just want comfort and security. They'll take what they assume is easy in order to get it. Not everyone is a "rugged individualist".

    I see this on both sides by the way. NOT picking on progressives.
     
  17. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You haven't given up crap. We just finished a free and fair election. Your side just did not prevail, so you want to whine unconstituional? Bullshirt!

    Mommy, I lost, so I am going to take my toys and go home........
     
  18. Mosin

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    No... More like you ignore constitutional violations because 'your side won'.

    I highly doubt you said the same when Bush passed the patriot act.
     
  19. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    Calm down there big fella. I don't believe you were in the voting booth with me so you don't know who I voted for or why. In fact earlIer I saId I never voted along any party lInes. I vote for the person not the party. I never said we didn't have a fair and free election, I just said that the rights of Americans seem to be under attack. Is it ok if I state my opinion there big guy?

    So, you can feel free to play with my toys all you want, I'll stay and play with ya so you can have cool toys to play with. :D
     
  20. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Once again I call BULLSH!T:mad::mad::mad:

    There was nothing free or fair about the Caliph buying the anointing with tax money.