Am a bit concerned about this rifle

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by bluez, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Made an offer tonite on a mid-lenght BCM upper/Spike lower combination, w/ BCM BCG and Magpul furniture.

    Only problem is the barrell is 14.5 inch with a supposedly "pinned" flash hider to bring it to a total of 16 inch.

    I know if it <is> pinned its legal no problem....
    but .....that guy has only one post on that board

    What if the flash hider isnt actually pinned making this a Class III gun? (would it?)

    I wonder if I should make him sign something to that effect that the flash hider is permanently affixed..

    Even so that might make little difference legally in the end,.. as BATF has a long history of ruining lives of good people for good faith actions, as long as they can find anything to hang a charge on.

    Otherwise the deal seems good though.

    Maybe if I not take possession of the rifle assembled and then keep it disassembled in 2 seperate boxes as I drive it home and then have my gunsmith inspect it to make sure it IS properly pinned?

    Thoughts?

    Fred

    PS: Moderators if this is not the right sub forum for this questions my apologies , please move as needed.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2012
  2. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    bluez,

    I would have him send you some pictures of it with a tape measure measuring the barrel. If the barrel is brazed and pined it should also show in a close up picture of the barrel. Once you receive it what are you going to do if it is not what you purchased? NOT MUCH because you are in possession. Do you think he will give your money back? Probably NOT! And he will wash his hands of it. So use caution and demand proof!

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  3. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Sniper, thanks for the quick reply.:)

    I am unsure how to ID the features you mentioned from a pic. This is my very first delve into sub 16 inch barrell.

    My big concern is not so much the risk to being money out of pocket to have my gun smith pin it if it needs doing (he is cheap). That is arisk I am willing to take..

    but the danger I might be in, if I take possession of an unpinned 14.5 inch barrel is what worries me.

    Does keeping the rifle disassmembled until I can be sure make it ok ?
     
  4. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    From the BATFE website...

    Sounds like the possession of the parts is what matters, not whether they are assembled.
     
  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    personally, i would walk away from it unless, either the pictures showed it was PINNED and WELDED or able to inspect in person to acertain it's totally on the level. the risk IMO is just too great. as JPyle mentioned, in possession of is what matters to the BATF.
     
  6. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    These are bought and sold every day.

    You're being overtly cautious.
     
  7. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    My rule of thumb is; if the proposed purchase might have a legal issue, I walk. There are too many ways for things to go wrong and the risk is not worth the gain.
     
  8. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Fellas , thanks for this priceless feedback for this newbie.

    appreciate it.
    Will clal the guy this monring and ask some pointed questions and walk away if uncertain.
    (unless my gunsmith is bored and wants to ride along but it would be a drive..)

    :)

    PS:
    If you ever need advice about Nissans of Infinitis I have a forum for those cars where we can get pointed questions answered
    link available by PM :)
     
  9. sixgun shorty

    sixgun shorty New Member

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    Class III

    Don't do it.Period.Don't take the chance unless you posess an FFL/SOT
    If you want an SBR, then go through the proper NFA steps to purchase one.
    I am an FFL/SOT Holder and i get this type of question often.
    My standard answer is if there is any question as to fixed barrel length, don't buy it.Adding a pinned or permanently affixed flash hider will make it passably legal perhaps, but why take the chance?Adding a suppressor by the way does not extend barrel length for legal ATF/NFA SBR purposes
    As an aside, do not attempt to suppress any rifle caliber barrel less than
    10.5" OAL
     
  10. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    How do I get a serial # of a gun I bought in 1991
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you still own it, it should be somewhere on the reciever. if not, why do you need the SN? confused.
     
  12. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    It was stolen
     
  13. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    I know stupid I should have wrote it down
     
  14. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    if you know where you purchased it, they might still have a record of it. if they happen to be out of business or have gotten rid of the records, i really have no idea.

    this is why i record all my SN's in several different books, as well as with my insurance carrier and update them as needed.
     
  15. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    I should have but they r out of business and don't they to turn those records over to somebody
     
  16. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    IIRC, they only have to retain those records for twenty years. it's been 22 years. epends on when they went out of business, and if they turned them over to the BATF, well good luck getting them to search for them. wish i could supply better information. one small possibility is if you could locate the FFL holder of that business, he might still have them.
     
  17. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    The ffl holder would be the owner ?
     
  18. ship2045

    ship2045 New Member

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    Thanks for your help
     
  19. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    usually. but could have been someone else that worked there.
     
  20. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Your LE agency who took the theft report can request a search based on your info, the kind of gun, the name and address of the dealer who you purchsed it from and the month and year of the purchase. ATF can run such a search. If the business went TU, the records were sent to ATF. They still have paper copies. If the dealer is still in business, ATF will check with them. Even though they are required to keep the records for 20 years, they are not required to destroy the records after 20 years. Most have them squirelled away.