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Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Vincine, Jun 27, 2014.
This made me cry a little. (3:19 video)
Very good post, Vini.
I have been a single female for a very long time. The world views single woman differently than they view woman in a relationship. I know it's true. I guarantee it. I have been told many times by certain men to "quit acting like a victim" and to "stop whining". But I guarantee you I do not make myself a victim but society does. Am I defensive? Yes, I probably am. I can't afford to be naive or blindly trusting.
Believe me, I'm not complaining but I am simply stating facts. My life since my divorce has not been easy. Not only single parenting but also finding my way in the world as a single parent and a single female. I've been scammed by repair people a time or two. I have been told to "discuss this with your husband and let us know what you want done". After certain incidents, my girlfriends say, "How could you have done that?" My reply, "What choice did I have?" I have done things I should never have done but sometimes things need to be done and I was the only one to do them.
The advantage I feel I have from my life's experiences? I can think my way out of most difficult situations. I have some crazy good problem solving skills.
When I say "It's a man's world" I'm not being some 'feminist' or woman's libber. I am simply stating the truth. Anyone who doesn't think women still walk three feet behind men in this society has their head buried in the sand.
I may or may not be complaining. But my experiences have made me who I am today. I'm a bit tougher and cruder than many woman...........and I don't regret it one bit.
We "macho" men find it hard to admit that we do things like this because we mimic others and don't realize the damage we inflict. I will work toward not denigrating others thru tired, hurtful clichés. Thanks for the heads-up Vincine.
Amazing video! I choked up watching it. I've always wanted to be a "girly-girl", a "lady", but I'm not. I laugh loudly and often, I cry and yell when I need to. I'm sarcastic, blunt, and a bit clumsy. I'm also loyal, nurturing, sensual, and a beautiful person (not talking looks here). I may not be girly, but I am a girl and proud of it
Got one of these for the Anarchist-in-Training.
something that annoyed me greatly in the past was someone taking advantage of a woman simply because they may not have known things that men might know.
i hate assumptions. a man goes into get his vehicle repaired, goes to buy a gun, or just anything that men normally frequent, and the assumption is the man walking in knows certain things, that women don't. the other assumption is that if a woman goes into the same places, it's assumed she doesn't have a clue and man is going to have to explain it to them.
the barefoot and pregnant mentality should have been left behind years ago, but it still persists to some degree. personally, i like seeing women entering into fields of sports, and jobs that were by a large degree dominated by men. i have seen many single mothers who by far very intelligent and resourceful in fixing things.
why is it, that some men feel slighted if a woman outdoes them in something or does a job better than they could? if they had been bested by a man, many of them would be high fiving and backslapping one another. doesn't bother me one or the other to have a woman outdo me in something if she's better at doing it.
part of the reason i like seeing women becoming members here on the forum and learning about guns and shooting. it empowers them, and makes them less dependent upon having to rely upon a man to do things for them. not all women have a father, a brother or a husband to teach them. i find many times women to be easier learners, as they are not afraid to admit their lack of knowledge, where some men due to some sort of imagined macho BS feel the need to pretend to understand things that other men do, to feel that is needed to fit in and be a man, rather than admit they don't have a clue. women are not afraid to ask a question, where some men will keep silent so others think they understand what is going on, when again, they haven't a clue.
Please, don't remind me.....
I used to get my tail waxed constantly in highpower matches by a 13 year old girl shooting an M14 when I first got started in the sport. By the time she turned 18 she became the state service rifle champion, and went on to earn the Presidents 100 at Camp Perry. Dear old dad taught her well. But he taught her to shoot like an AMU marksman instead of "like a girl"....
I love that camo pattern! Where did you get it?
I know a young girl that can out-shoot me She's pretty good too:
As for shooting like a girl, Annie Oakley killed that one.
Never mind. I found it:
You mean this Annie?
kast weekend the wife and i went to the range for a very quick sight in and test of her savage for function. as i was setting up her rifle attaching the surpressor getting the mag ready and ammo etc she was getting her other gear in order and it attracted the attention of the "nra instructor" next bench over.
he commented on how "cute" my rifle case was. i replied its not mine its the my wife's case and gun. the case is purple tiger stripe. he then starts in on her about how to properly do this that the other and not worry about shooting big groups breath contril yada yada yada...
her rifle is a savage 10fcpsr in 308 with a nightforce 3.5-15x moar nxs f1 suppressor is a surefire fa762k.
he starts in on her again about how she should start at 100 as 300 is to far for a girl...
her first ten shots go into a nice ragged 1.5 inch hole at 300.
the whole time we were pretty much ignoring him. i then said take a look in the spotting scope. he did and i said "maybe you should shut the hell up and she MIGHT teach you to shoot like a girl... that 10 shots at 300 is tighter than your 3 shots at 100..."
he got beet red. another guy who has seen my wife shoot said " your an idiot" ive seen her out here before embarrassing people and she only started shooting rifles 2 years ago" laughed at him.
later on a couple of young guys come up to the line with ar15's and politiely ask about her rifle and she demos it for them lets them shoot it and they compliment her on her shooting.
moral of the story is not everyone is a douche and just because someone is an "instructor" doesnt mean they know a damn thing...
my wife has limited time for training so i focus with her on things that are easy to comprehend for a new shooter that will make a big difference and ignore the smaller picayune aspects of shooting that are much harder to master. her goal isnt to master breathing and range estimation its to get rounds on target so i have her focus almost solely on sight alignment to target and trigger squeeze. i ignore everything else for now.
i dont need some jerk trying to make her task harder when she already shoots half moa to moa when she is relaxed and not being harrassed. it is astounding how many folks accept her on the longer range side of the facility and how few people really try and degrade her for shooting a rifle well.
there are times when some dirtbag tries and belittles her she usually tells em "you can run your mouth but your not going to outshoot me..." after she squeezes off a stupid tight grouping.
I don't understand. How come, . . I mean, . . It sounds like you and she are presented with many opportunities to generate capital.
hmmmmm.......Jon could have been taking side bets on her shooting skills and made a small fortune!
heh no. the rifle has been having issues with sticky ejection. she also wanted trigger time and we went to dinner afterwards.
while i got the burr fixed its still sticking on cases that are saami spec max length. im thinking at this point that savage left the throat just shy of minimum. so im going to order a rental reamer and give it a scootch of a twist reaming it out just a hair.
if that fails im just tossing the barrel and getting her a 18" krieger barrel.
My wife also says it's a "man's world" because so many common physical things are difficult for many women. Even simple things like breaking a dog biscuit in half! And breaking loose the lid of a jar. And certainly changing a flat tire, etc. I know strength comes in to it (i.e. how can you change a flat if you can't even lift the spare out of the trunk!) but it's got to be more than strength but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Since I was a young man I was curious about the difference between the sexes, not just physical but mental. Many women don't have the confidence to attempt household repairs while a good percent of men will tackle the job. I know I go into a new "fix it" job with lots of confidence because I've had so much success over the years. And that's because I was handed down a beat up bicycle when I was 6, then a procession of old things as I grew up. Of course my first car was a beater too. I didn't have an older brother and my father was a drunk so if I wanted something done I had to figure it out myself. I didn't realize it at the time but taking the hard road at an early age made me strong, confident and good with my hands and mind.
No doubt pushing the GI Joe and boom, bang, crash toys on boys and pushing dolls, sugar, spice on girls has a lot to do with it. Mothers are just as guilty as fathers of imprinting differently on little girls than little boys. During the early years boys and girls have similar strength but boys pull ahead if they love "male" toys and go out and fight and throw/hit a ball. No doubt this develops spatial perception and the ability to figure things out. Do little girls intrinsically not enjoy these kinds of thing or have they been brainwashed by society to be "just girls"? Or is it different for each individual?
Then of course boys get their growth spurt which no doubt gives them many advantages over girls who fall behind in size and strength. Mother nature sure isn't always fair!
I do think there has been a change though. Lots of young men don't have the mechanical aptitude of earlier generations. Lots of boys and men today never have changed a flat! I hope this trend reverses because we do need real men.
Sorry, just mulling this over in my mind. I don't think it's always insidious, but no doubt it can be easier to be a man in this world. With this advantage I hope we men can avoid being adult bullies like spoiled brats we were on the playground!
"Throw like a girl" to me implies inexperience. My daughter throws like a girl and I know teenage boys and a few men who "throw like a girl". I also know women and girls who throw like MLB pitchers(I'm afraid to catch a fastball from).
I don't view it as an insult but I see it as a statement of inexperience. It is derogatory and I shouldn't use that phrase... Maybe I'll start saying "you throw like a baby" or "You throw like a child" instead. Makes more sense since the style has nothing to do with sex but everything to do with experience.
What the heck, I am ready for a beat-down; time to throw a man’s perspective in. So, my question is then, just why and where did the phrase “like a girl” come from? I would suspect it is because 95% of the girls don’t have the strength and coordination of a man. Settle down, breath, breath, it’ll be ok. But, do I want a girl who is manly – not me. Sorry girls. My daughter, a very pretty young lady (of course I am going to say that) who is a girly-girl and has no desire to as good as a man unless she is doing girly things. Truth is, she took martial arts and was very good at it. She has shot with me and had a lot of potential, but when the boys started showing up, she was done. She wants to be a girl, she don’t want to be guyish. She wants a man who is physically stronger, more stable, and in control. Ok, so I might have just rebutted myself, because she is coordinated and pretty darn smart. But I still think for the most part girls are not, I think they are not typically wired that way. I think they are wired to be more sensitive, loving, compassionate, and caring. That may be why men and women make a good team. Now - let’s go cut some trees down…
I'm surprised this interesting thread tapered off so quickly!