Alternatives To Firearms For Personal Protection

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by Vikingdad, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    First of all I live in California, and moving is not an option so please do not respond with that suggestion.

    My father recently passed away and left my step-mom with a pistol. Initially she was wanting to keep it and use it for home defense as she now lives alone. The gun has been hidden away for a long, long time for reasons I won't go into, but suffice it to say that she has never fired it and my Dad probably hadn't fired it for 20 years or so. I have been working with her in educating her on firearms safety and what she must do to remain legal in owning the gun.

    I spoke with her yesterday and she is now indicating that she does not feel that she would be comfortable having the gun in the house, but she does want something "just in case". I suggested that I could look into other "less than lethal" options for her. I am thinking of a Taser or a high quality pepper spray such as the Kimber unit.

    Does anybody have any advice to offer on either of those or something else (besides moving out of CA)?

    I am going to continue working with her and hopefully make her more comfortable with handling her revolver, and maybe over time she will be comfortable with having it in the house for its intended purpose. This has included and will continue to include having her over for shooting practice regularly.

    (OH, and if she does decide not to hang onto the gun it will end up being mine. I would prefer though that she keep it for her protection, just so you all know I do not have ulterior motives in presenting the alternatives to the gun.)

    Again, do not suggest that she move!
     
  2. therewolf

    therewolf New Member

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    Strong flashlights. Also known as " Tac Lights". Google.

    Hey, it's not considered "assault" when a LEO

    blinds you...:)
     

  3. BullDozer

    BullDozer New Member

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    A pepper master from kimber would be great, I'm assuming that is what you meant?
     
  4. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I think so. It has two cartridges and looks pistol-ish? I like the idea of having more than one shot which is one of the disadvantages to the Taser- one shot and then you have to put in a new cartridge.
     
  5. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I have never known a flashlight to put an assailant on the ground without getting into hand-to hand. Mom is near 80 years old so I am thinking she isn't going to be earning her black belt in anything anytime soon;).
     
  6. BullDozer

    BullDozer New Member

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    Yeah that's it. Or get her a lcp (I think thats the name) in .22
     
  7. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    I'm sure she's familiar with wasp/hornet spray...25' stream and I can testify first hand through my summer 'bee battles' that is most unpleasant when it gets into the eyes...
     
  8. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    Its not the caliber that has her intimidated, its the fact that it is a firearm. I am working on that.

    BTW, her gun is a S&W model 60 in .38 Special. I like the gun and think it would be perfect for her to use for personal protection but she is uncomfortable with the idea right now.
     
  9. Vikingdad

    Vikingdad New Member

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    I will suggest it. I am familiar with it (By the way, I am a beekeeper. Wasp and hornet spray is not for bees!!;)) but she doesn't think that way. I'm working on it though.
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    My gal carried the Kimber Life-Act for quite some time before we got her comfortable with a pistol.

    It's not ideal, I will say that upfront, but if she was going to carry it, we were going to test it. That sh!t hurts.... LOL

    Downside is that is only carries two shots, and it doesn't incapacitate, is just makes you a crying, wheezing, snot faced mess.

    Before the Life Act came out we got her a tazer like this one. http://www.antarespro.com/5021845-item-Taser-44009-796430440096.aspx?sgd=349d317d319d309d316

    But without the lazer on it. It's bulky, so small hands have a tough time with it. One nice feature is the plastic cartridge can be replaced with ones designed to go out past 20 feet, I believe.

    If she misses with the barbs, she can pull the plastic cartridge and it becomes a touch tazer that will burn the hell out of your skin. I tested that one too, on the shoulder where it's good and meaty, and it took me right to the floor without any troubles.

    Cold Steel makes a variation of Bear Spray called Inferno that has a handle and it's a good size can that could fill a hallway and make life pretty miserable.

    http://www.coldsteel.com/pepper-spray.html

    Just off the top of my head. Two I have tested and can vouch for, the Cold Steel has a video you can watch and see what you think.

    JD
     
  11. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    'Bee battle' is my all encompassing term for anything that can sting the crap out of me and our impending battle to the death...:p

    It actually kinda works, the foam weighs them down enough so they can't fly, then you can stomp 'em! :D

    Does she like dogs?
     
  12. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Have you considered overthrowing the Kali government?
    ;)

    But seriously, if not the personal tazer or two (idea is to taze and run/lock out), what about a .410 shotgun with some buckshot? I assume a larger shotgun with less-lethal ammo would be too much recoil for her? If not, i would look for a coach gun for her and some CS spray-infused beanbag rounds, though one of the officers who knows a CO might have better ammo recommendations.

    They also sell pepper spray paintball ammo, but it is VERY expensive.

    Does she have a scary or a barky dog already? If not, the pound probably has a spare whose company she might enjoy.
     
  13. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Didn't read all of thread but i'm sure "git a dawgd" has been mentioned :)
    WAIT! I got it- Get Milla Jovovich to move in :cool:
     
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  14. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I forgot, when my paternal grandma got pretty old, she traded me her snubby .38 for an airhorn. She didn't like the heaby trigger on the snubby, was impressed by the airhorn, and had a .25 for backup.

    Maybe a home alarm system with a remote panic button and a loud siren with flashy lights that would alert any neighbors and scare the problem people...or a really LOUD airhorn.
     
  15. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    AND you cud get Milla Jovovich to push the buttons :)
    OK, if the car has a panic button use that too ---
     
  16. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    Tell her this;

    "If you are unwilling to defend even your own lives, then you are like mice trying to negotiate with owls. You regard their ways as wrong. They regard you as dinner." - John Farnam

    [​IMG]
     
  17. c3shooter

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    Go for the two shot OC pepper. As you noted, drawback of Taser is that it IS a single shot. The "small fire extinguisher sized" OC spray (for bears, yetis, and rhinocerwurst) is pretty awkward to carry-

    THIS is best price I have seen on the Kimber-

    http://www.safetygirl.com/kimber-pepper-blaster-ii.html
     
  18. HOSSFLY

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    Dam, thats deep C3 :cool:
    I gotta save that-------
     
  19. gladesbassin

    gladesbassin New Member

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    You can get her the close range tazer, it looks like a cell phone and if a BG comes up to her she can just zap em. The thing is, any of these non leathal devices still give the perp a chance of gathering him/herself to go on the attack again except for bear spray. Yappy dogs are great ideas like stated before.
     
  20. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Or you can try and fortify access points...

    http://www.homeinvasionshield.com/products/door-frame-protector/

    This is also something you can make yourself for a fraction of the price shown on the link, I know you're a handy guy...:cool:

    The Life Alert thing might be good too, not sure about how effective it actually is but it seems simple enough...

    If you're not afraid to run a little wire, basic glass breaks and motion detectors with a siren will at least make a whole lotta noise on the cheap...