Alternate Energy & Fuels

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by MobileMarine, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Think this would be a good thread for us to share ideas on Alt energy and fuels , What you use or plan to use or any Ideas you may have .

    I have always pondered a Stored energy flywheel type system that would turn a generator .

    If you have a 12v dc to 120v ac inverter , it would run off a common 12v car/marine battery . Fine and dandy till the battery runs out , right ?
    What would keep you from plugging a battery charger into the inverter to keep the battery charged , therefore having a small but nearly constant power source.
    If I were closer to a stream I would run a paddle wheel but Im not

    What are your ideas ?
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I'm kind of a fan of the gaserator.
     

  3. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    I am a fan of solar, and wind energy. It is for the most part free, and extremely clean. I believe I said this in another thread a long time ago, but 100 square miles of solar panels would be enough to power the entire USA. That may sound like a lot of dedicated space, but if you spread it out, it's not much at all.
     
  4. wyoprepper

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    I was watching a tv show and saw that they used animal fat as bio diesel to run a tractor! Then in turn used the tractor to recharge batteries. The only problem is keeping the fat melted l. Also I read u can cover certain engines to take ethanol. But ethanol or moon shine would be a pain in the *** to make.
     
  5. kytowboater

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    I like this as well. Did not have any idea about the 100sq miles though. Very cool indeed.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You cannot hook battery to inverter to charger to battery. Inverter and charger each have a loss- you get less back than what you took out.

    We have a small solar charging systems, a few deep cycle 115 amp/hr batteries, and a 2500 watt inverter. Enough to run a deep freeze. Can also rig small scale wind generator.

    Would love to have an old style overshot water wheel, but those run 6-10 hp max. Small scale hydro can be neat, but you need year round water flow at correct rate of flow and head (distance water drops).
     
  7. RJMercer

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    I've always had a soft spot for the old stationary engines they used to use on pump jacks before they all went electric. Sure, they have a pitiful power to weight ratio and are kind of loud and take a mechanical bend to maintain but they are not very picky eaters. At 200 rpm they don't wear out very fast and they can run continuous duty for a decade and turn a small (3kw) generator the entire time. They are built to run on natural gas as a byproduct off of oil wells so using good propane out of a 500 gallon tank would let it sing like a bird.
     
  8. Vikingdad

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    I have a 12.5 Kw solar array on the roof. Plan on adding battery backup and more panels in the future. Some of my neighbors use small hydro generators and I may do that myself for some of my outbuildings. Hard to justify that right now though because all I use power for is lighting and a small battery does that fine since I have two LED strips that use very little power.

    I also want to install a solar water heater in the future. That would save me quite a bit on propane.

    MobileMarine, how would your flywheel be replenished? Maybe a windmill?

    The other side of alternative energy is how can you reduce your needs? I have been replacing much of the lighting with LEDs and flourescent (wife hates the light off of the LEDs). I also installed a float switch that controls the well pump. I have a 5000 gallon water tank that supplies the domestic water, the float switch runs off of the top 500 gallons. That way if there is ever a problem with the well I have a substantial reserve before running out on that tank. Before that it was on a timer and the water would run over more often than not. Water was wasted and so was the energy used to pump it out of the well.
     
  9. linuxuser3890

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    Keep in mind that large scale solar energy is not done with panels. It is done with salt in a tower that has a bunch of mirrors aiming the sun at it. The salt gets hot enough to melt and the molten salt falls into water that almost instantly turns to steam. The salt reduces the boiling time for water also so its a plus. The rest of the operation is the same as a coal plant in that the steam turns a turbine.

    For solar energy to be feasible in places other than the desert one of three things has to happen. Find a way to keep the salt hot during winter, cloudy days, night time, ect. Whether that be chemically or otherwise. Two, find a way to make steam turbines operate more efficiently because most exit water is at a quality of 94% and anywhere below that ruins the turbine. Or lastly find a way to store energy on a large scale, and amazingly we still haven't accomplished that after more than 100 years of using electricity.

    My money is on a new form of nuclear energy that uses fusion instead of fission. It is a safer method than what we currently use but no government in the world will let a new nuclear plant be built. There was some chatter a while back about building a plant for some country in Africa that has a nice desert that they could use but I think budget got in the way.
     
  10. Vincine

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    If you're on the grid it opens up all kinds of possibilities. One of which is 'selling' solar to the grid all day when rates are higher, and pulling off the grid it at night, when the rate are lower, to run recharge heat storage systems, batteries, etc. The grid is your battery.

    There are places that do this with hydro. They generate power in the daytime and sell it. Then at night they pump water from the lower pond to the upper pond, when the rate is lower, and do it again the next day.

    Up here some are mounting panels on the side on the home to take advantage of the reflected light off the snow cover.

    But the most economical gain is reduction. Remember clothes lines?
     
  11. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Well my idea of the flywheel , it would a massive piece no doubt and the more tons the better . As far as spooling it back up , that would depend on how long the wheel would turn . An old steam engine runs fine of air or a little diesel that would run just long enough to get the rpms back up . Tons and super slick support bearings .

    Im sure with a private small scale hydro you would run into big time red tape .
    The wet lands at my house are on a 400 year flood plain and no one can do anything to it , the stream that feeds it has very little flow and most is stagnate . Now a coastal tide pool or holding would be cool for a hydro but it would need to be on a massive scale .

    Nuke , imo is one of the best ways to roll for a steady high output .
    It would be bad *** to have your own small scale reactor but I dont see that going down for the next 100 years . I know NC State university has one in a lab they play with but i dont thinnk its pumping out any juice
     
  12. Vikingdad

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    This is a "grid-tied" or "net metering" system.You can do it with any type of generator, but solar is the most common. My system is currently grid-tied but eventually I would like to go off-grid.
     
  13. Sand_Squid

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    I have geothermal to heat my house n workshop. Have to have a second source to heat with for those really cold days that dip to colder than a mother-in-laws kiss. Works great to cool the house in the summer time
     
  14. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    My house is in a shady tree area , hence not much wind ,sun or anything else beyond skeeters and humidity .

    Viking , how does your 5k gallon tank work and what purpose does it serve ?
    How do you keep the bacteria and such in check ?
     
  15. Yunus

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    That's not really being more energy efficient it's just being economically efficient to yourself.

    Another version of this is to selling your "green" energy as credits. You build a solar farm in Arizona that has no chance of making money in a fair market and rich people subsidize your solar farm so they can say they are being green even though their house is really New York powered by coal.
     
  16. tofayel

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    Solar, wind and bio-gas are most suitable alternate energy and fuels. But we have need more research for using it more suitable.
     
  17. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    This is true.
     
  18. hiwall

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    My electric company charges me almost 10% of my bill so they can help pay other people to install solar panels!
     
  19. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    I think i can convert my f350 to run off smokeless powder :D

    I have run outboards and other small engines off of oxygen and acetylene from the cutting torch , but only in an attempt to cause harm due to being bored at work .
    They actually ran pretty good , If propane wont so high here id would be running that , and i hear nat gas is can be used in cars as well