All Out Attack on our American Freedom

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Sniper03, Nov 23, 2013.

  1. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

    Yes Obama and his cronies are still attacking our American Freedoms! Our Second Amendment and Constitution!
    It is very obvious to a normal intelligent individual!;)

    And on it goes....
    How about this for a bucket of worms?! Another country receiving another American Company. A company that has been a very important part of our civilization. It has kept the enemy from our doorstep by supplying lead for the bullets our military needs to keep our freedoms.
    There are numerous alarming reasons why the US government and the military have been buying up all the ammo. Here's one of them. Obama and the EPA just shut down the last lead smelting plant in the US. They raised the EPA regulations by 10 fold and it would have cost the plant $100 million to comply. You can own all the guns you want, but if you can't get ammo, you are out of luck.
    Remember when Obama promised his minions that he was working on gun control behind the scenes? Welcome to it. Now, all domestic mined lead ore will have to be shipped overseas, refined and then shipped back to the US. Not only will ammo now be even harder to come by, the demand and the process of supply will cause the price to skyrocket even more. And ponder this… there is an excellent chance that Obama will rig the market to where all ammo has to be purchased from a government entity instituting de facto ammo registration. So much for the Second Amendment. There has not been a peep about this in the major news outlets and it is done. With the US no longer producing lead, all supplies will now have to come from China, Australia or Peru, with the overwhelming emphasis on China. More redistribution of wealth; more economic and liberty crippling of the US on tap.
    The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said the company "made a business decision" to shut down the smelter instead of installing pollution control technologies needed to reduce sulfur dioxide and lead emissions as required by the Clean Air Act.
    The Doe Run Co. Announced last year that it had dropped plans to build a new lead processing facility in Herculaneum that would have used a new, cleaner lead production technology.
    The company cited the $100 million project as too financially risky.
    The EPA is playing Mafioso I guess — we didn't make them shut down, they made a business decision. In other words, they couldn't pay the extortion, so the thugs shut them down.
    I'm pretty sure that Americans are getting ready to make their own business decision regarding the Marxists and I don't think it will be pleasant. But Marxists will do or die and are doubling down on the destruction of energy in America, our way of life and the Constitution.
    The smelting plant has known since 2010 this was coming. They couldn't stop it and no one else rose up to stop it either. The business had been in production for 120 years and now goes the way of our auto industry.
    The military's obsession with ammo was related to security and supply. They knew this was coming too, so they bought up all they could get before the plug was pulled. Screw the average American.
    It's as Chris Muir said, he's not as worried about where the bullets will come from, as much as how the government will deliver them and I'm right there with him on that one.
    So, back door gun control is moving forward and while we are all distracted with shiny stuff, our Second Amendment rights are just about gone.
    Obama is one Marxist dictator who is savvy at political chess.
    He has flanked the Second Amendment.
  2. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

    Be careful. This kind of screaming fear mongering and half-truth fanaticism is how Hitler took over Germany.:rolleyes:

  3. RJMercer

    RJMercer New Member

    That is the last primary lead smelter that deals with raw lead ore. There are still several other smelters that deal in recycling lead from fishing weights, tire weights, lead acid batteries, and other lead stuff we use. While doe run closing is the next shoe to fall in the gubmint using the environment as an excuse to subversively push its agenda, it isn't the last shoe to fall. Smelted slag and pot metal chucked up in a lathe and turned down to size then coated with a thin copper shell will still fire and not tear up rifling, it just won't expand as reliably as lead.
    If they close em all I don't think they realize what they will be unleashing. 20 million reloaders suddenly getting creative won't end how the gubmint imagines it.
  4. SSGSF

    SSGSF New Member

    What about the people that work their ?
    That means there are more Americans out of work , that won't be able to find jobs or have to get retrained cause they have been doing the same thing for years.
    How is this going to help our economy?
  5. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    That plant was a major lead polluter. The owners of that smelter had years in which to upgrade their systems or build a new smelter on that site. They chose not to do so. The former owners of that smelter lost a 345 million dollar lawsuit they are appealing: This was after they settled another claim out of court.

    i have no tears for Doe Run.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2013
  6. manta

    manta Well-Known Member Supporter

    There were a lot of car plants closed down here. I think its the government that's behind it so they can stop us driving and they can keep all the cars for themselves. Then again we could just import cars, :rolleyes: can led not be imported into America if necessary. ;)
  7. Mouser

    Mouser Member

    Hopefully some of these secondary smelters can take up some of the loss of production and especially smelt enough ore so that the miners in the area don't lose their jobs as well.

    Never believe for one second that American business people send jobs overseas...they are driven their by a sense of self-preservation in a climate in which legal, political and financial pressure become so great that it is either move or perish.\

    I am speaking from experience...there is no red-blooded American that wants their business in China, that wants to be dependent on China or even want to visit China on a business endeavor. It is amazing to me that the enforcement agencies that were created (like EPA) can make law and make laws that cause Americans to lose jobs...this is a perversion of our constitution and there is almost no check and balance in place to reign these knuckleheads in.
  8. alsaqr

    alsaqr Well-Known Member Supporter

    It does not surprise me one bit.

    The president and his appointees have very wide latitude in the enforcement and interpretation of US law as well as the implementation of new federal law after a comment period. In almost every case that power was granted to the president and federal agency heads by the US congress. Members of US congress often whine about federal regulatory agencies but steadfastly refuse to change the law.

    Example: After lots on of noise about Fast and Furious; Issa and Grassly refused to call for the reorganization of the BATFE because reorganizing that agency would hamper the next anti-gun Republican president.

    Oh, by the way. the present lead air quality standard took effect in 2008 on the watch of Bush II.
    Last edited: Nov 24, 2013
  9. 1911love

    1911love New Member

    I think I read somewhere that Doe Run has been under orders to clean up since 1998.
  10. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

    I really expect that Americans buying tons of Russian and Chinese made rifles and ammo are a larger problem. Why do Americans wring their hands over a lead smelter closing and an ammo shortage?
    Americans shooters are not supporting our "In" country ammo supply when purchasing their bargains from the Communist block nations. The same people who are worried about a closed lead mine are looking for Spam cans of Russian Ammo?:confused:
  11. John_Deer

    John_Deer New Member

    Winchester is already experimenting with the XP3 sabots that do not contain lead. The XP3 sabot is made of tin and copper. Yes, it is expensive but all sabots are expensive. The XP3 in a rifled barrel shotgun has ballistics that rival a 300 gr flat nosed 45/70 round.