All lead ammo outlawed in 90 days!

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by A5Mag12, Aug 11, 2010.

  1. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    Well, they are correct that lead is deadly. ;)
     

  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    Especially at muzzle velocity!! :D
     
  3. falseharmonix

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    Well, the article says "hunting" ammunition.

    So label it "Self-Defense" ammunition, and you're good to go :cool:
     
  4. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    These left wing nuts want to stop lead and stop jobs as well! Idiots!

    Everyone! Watch the Bills (now, during and after election) floating in Congress, the anticrowd will try and sneak this in any bill. Since are elected members do not read the legislation; except, for some who we all know that are not democrats.

    Where is listing of hunting group, liberal lie as usual?

    I did a search of the final petition sent to EPA and does not list this group, lists the California Condor!

    The following site, states that "California hunters' group Project Gutpile are asking for the ban under the Toxic Substances Control Act, which regulates dangerous chemicals in the United States"

    http://www.pressconnects.com/articl...tition+a+threat+to+hunting++shooting++fishing
     
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  5. A5Mag12

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    This is not going to be decided in the halls of congress. It will be up to the head of the EPA. An anti hunting lady if I recall.
     
  6. pandamonium

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    Just going for one step closer...
     
  7. MGH

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    Would this effect price for standard practice ammo? Anything that isn't specifically self defense, for example .22 and bird shot are lead right? So will they have to be copper after this?
    The argument for the anti-guners would say: lead plinking rounds shot in the wilderness could contaminate wildlife. Right?
     
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  8. pandamonium

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    The EPA has the authority to pass whatever laws they want without going through Congress?
     
  9. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    This is an update from Ammoland

    EPA Considering Ban on Traditional Ammunition

    NEWTOWN, Conn --(Ammoland.com)- All Gun Owners, Hunters and Shooters:

    With the fall hunting season fast approaching, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under Lisa Jackson, who was responsible for banning bear hunting in New Jersey, is now considering a petition by the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) – a leading anti-hunting organization – to ban all traditional ammunition under the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, a law in which Congress expressly exempted ammunition.

    If the EPA approves the petition, the result will be a total ban on all ammunition containing lead-core components, including hunting and target-shooting rounds. The EPA must decide to accept or reject this petition by November 1, 2010, the day before the midterm elections.

    Today, the EPA has opened to public comment the CBD petition. The comment period ends on October 31, 2010.

    The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) — the trade association for the firearms, ammunition, hunting and shooting sports industry – urges you to submit comment to the EPA opposing any ban on traditional ammunition. Remember, your right to choose the ammunition you hunt and shoot with is at stake.

    The EPA has published the petition and relevant supplemental information as Docket ID: EPA-HQ-OPPT-2010-0681.

    If you would like to read the original petition and see the contents of this docket folder:

    Regulations.gov

    In order to go directly to the ‘submit a comment’ page for this docket number:

    Regulations.gov

    NSSF urges you to stress the following in your opposition:

    •There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.
    •Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services and the 50 state wildlife agencies.
    •A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.
    •A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.
    •Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

    Steps to take:

    1. Submit comment online to the EPA:
    2. Contact Lisa Jackson directly to voice your opposition to the ban:

    Lisa P. Jackson
    Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
    1200 Pennsylvania Ave., NW
    Washington, DC 20460
    (202) 564-4700
    Fax: (202) 501-1450
    Email: jackson.lisa@epa.gov

    3. Contact your Congressman and Senators and urge them to stop the EPA from banning ammunition.
     
  10. Bigcountry02

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    Sample Letter:

    Dear Congressman / Senator:

    The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is considering banning all traditional ammunition — ammunition containing lead-core components. This is something that would affect all hunters, target shooters and law enforcement.

    A petition filed with the EPA by several agenda-driven groups including the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD), erroneously claims that the use of traditional ammunition poses a danger to (1) wildlife, in particular raptors such as bald eagles, that may feed on entrails or unrecovered game left in the field and (2) that there is a human health risk from consuming game harvested using traditional ammunition. Also falsely alleged in the petition is that the use of traditional ammunition by hunters is inconsistent with the Toxic Substance Control Act of 1976, Congress expressly exempted ammunition from being regulated as a “toxic substance.”

    As your constituent, I am urging you to do whatever you can to stop the EPA, which has no jurisdiction over such matters, from banning our ammunition. Please consider the following points:

    *There is no scientific evidence that the use of traditional ammunition is having an adverse impact on wildlife populations.

    *Wildlife management is the proper jurisdiction of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services and the 50 state wildlife agencies.

    *A 2008 study by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on blood lead levels of North Dakota hunters confirmed that consuming game harvested with traditional ammunition does not pose a human health risk.

    *A ban on traditional ammunition would have a negative impact on wildlife conservation. The federal excise tax that manufacturers pay on the sale of the ammunition (11 percent) is a primary source of wildlife conservation funding. The bald eagle’s recovery, considered to be a great conservation success story, was made possible and funded by hunters using traditional ammunition – the very ammunition organizations like the CBD are now demonizing.

    *Recent statistics from the United States Fish and Wildlife Service show that from 1981 to 2006 the number of breeding pairs of bald eagles in the United States increased 724 percent. And much like the bald eagle, raptor populations throughout the United States are soaring.

    Thank you for your time. I will be watching your actions on this matter closely.
     
  11. gorknoids

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    But copper is a herbicide.......... Sorry, the landscaper in me just can't keep my mouth shut.
     
  12. Eastex_Guns

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    Dear Senator/Congressman

    Please note that I am firmly against any bill that attempts to protect wildlife from the effect of lead ammunition before you address the issue of protecting the citizens that elected you from the effects of lead poisoning.

    And in recognition of your hard work in congress (as evidenced by your ever increasing silver hair) I am enclosing a complementary bottle of Grecian Formula so that you can start to reverse your aging appearance.

    Thank you


    PS: Note the ingredients on on the bottle. Lead Acetate.... please follow label precautions.
     
  13. spittinfire

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    This would really put a damper on my ammo supply for hunting. I've got several hundred loose bullets and several hundred loaded that are only used for hunting. I would have to waste them all at the range and accomplish nothing in regards to the environment.

    How long do you think it will be before they try to ban lead bullets all together? Another couple of years?
     
  14. cameronguyton

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    I guess with all the lead that's not put into ammo can be put into the batteries for the electric cars they are trying to push on us.
     
  15. Bigdog57

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    It seems everytime the misadministration elevates one of these UberLiberal California Road Twitches to high political office, We The People lose more of our centuries-old rights, traditions and heritage. :mad:

    We NEED to ban rampant Liberalism.
     
  16. BwanaDoc

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    These "conservationists" are just running this as a stalking horse for gun control nuts. It's doubtful the EPA even has authority regulate ammunition.
     
  17. bkt

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    Not laws...just policies and restrictions that have the same affect and power laws have. Remember how they declared carbon dioxide a pollutant?

    I expect the EPA will do for ammo sales what Obama did for firearms sales.
     
  18. Bigcountry02

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    Fire Side Sale! Hang onto to your hats and wallets it will be a ride!
     
  19. EdH

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