All guns are loaded guns!

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by downsouth, Jan 8, 2012.

  1. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    After a day of shooting yesterday, I'm cleaning my guns. I get the 590a1 out of the sleeve. Out of habit I work the action and out pops a shell, 4 in total. I say to myself, I did'nt put that thing up loaded. Wait I did'nt put it away at all. I went to grill lunch and some of the fellows sleeved it and walked it back. That's not the point. My gun, my responsability. I should have checked it myself before we loaded in the truck.

    On a side note. Rem oil over spray does not improve the taste of coffee.

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  2. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Not sure which one of us did that, but you have my sincerest apologies, and I promise it WILL NOT happen again. I'm not sure if I sleeved any of them, but I know I handled all of them while they were being packed up.

    There is no excuse, one of us should have caught that, especially since we actually did check several of them. Even the Marlin 60 got checked and it wasn't even fired!
     

  3. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Downsouth,

    Despite the fact of a freak oversight and the circumstances surrounding it. The point is made by you very well! That is, each time we handle weapons we should complete the exact safety drill you performed in this thread. All Firearms are loaded until varified otherwise! I will admit in all the years that I have been around weapons I am not naive enough to not think that inadvertent things do happen from time to time with firearms. We are only human unfortunately and things can slip by us due to circumstances as you described in this incident. But if we perform the safety procedures without fail we remain safe and we catch those things that otherwise could be an utter disaster. Great Job for following good gun safety and handling techniques.:)

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  4. unclebear

    unclebear New Member

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    I agree ever since the accident when I was younger it's almost like breathing, if I grab a gun or if I'm handed one I check it three times to make sure I never take someones word on it. Although I do keep a loaded gun in the house and on my person I know for a fact that it's loaded 24/7 just for safe reasons.
     
  5. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    Trip, this was'nt about you or anybody needing to appologize. I almost did'nt post it because of that. I posted it because no matter how many times we handle a firearm safe and proper it only takes once.

    Things happen and thats why we all need to handle firearms with extreme cauton. With freedoms come responsibilities. My gun my responsibility.
     
  6. gwk4667

    gwk4667 New Member

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    I'm glad you posted as we all need a refresher constantly!

    About 30 years ago one of my friends handed me a 410 ga single shot shotgun he had "just cleaned" as he was having problems getting the stock back on.

    I laid the barrel trigger up and was sliding the stock on when the gun fired and took out a window about 2' from my wife!

    I did not check as I "assumed" it was empty if it had been taken down and cleaned. I don't think I have ever made that mistake again. Check, check, check!
     
  7. firedawg60

    firedawg60 New Member

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    Good reminder for everyone south. And for the coffee, just try a little more cream or sugar!!
     
  8. Jeepergeo

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    Good to hear it ended without an accident.

    Treat it as your Big Break, and enjoy many years of safe shooting.
     
  9. Mjclemm

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    I can tell you out of experience I will say that to everyone I know, have been for 30+ years now...I was SHOT in the gut when I was 17 years old by a friend of mine working with me at a convenience store in Cleveland Ohio. She picked up the gun from behind the counter (for protection) had no clue it was loaded (as they all are) pointed at me while I was leaning on a deli counter eating Capt Crunch (I couldn't say something quicker because I had the cereal in my mouth) but tried to yell, to late, happened that fast. She pulled the trigger on the infamous "Unloaded gun" and BANG ! Got me in the side gut, the bullet had hit my bottom rib and parts of the bullet ricocheted of the rib so the major part of the bullet is in me and some fragments came out from the ricochet. I grabbed my side (had no clue I was hit) and yelled "YOU GOT ME" , I was trying to scare her by teaching her a lesson about gun safety, lifted my hand up to say "I'm only joking" because she was freaking out, and to my utter surprise... Blood dripping off my hand, well THEN I clearly knew something hit me, then it started to hurt, bad. And the story goes.. "ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED, PERIOD" I'm sure everyone in this forum at one time has had that "I can't believe the thing was loaded" (even if was to yourself) like you started the thread off with. You just never know who may have touched it last, even if you were the one that put it away and locked it up. Someone else MAY have took the gun out for a number of reasons and put it back loaded.. Finding out a gun "WAS" loaded after it discharges can be costly in many different ways., thanks.. Mjclemm...

    Can't remember if I fired 5 or 6, well, what'll it be punk?
     
  10. winds-of-change

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    Holy crap, MJClemm. I hope you are enjoying your second chance on life.
     
  11. Drriley

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    your obvious problem is that you are not
    brewing your coffee strong enough to start with.
     
  12. downsouth

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    Oh no, I love the taste of a strong cup. Have begun to buy the beans and grind them myself, french roast.
    I put some honey in the first cup, the following cups are black. I made the statement to laugh at myself for overspraying the rem oil into the cup. It had a sheen to it much like oil in a puddle of water.
     
  13. Mjclemm

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    I as well

    I as well keep 1 fire arm loaded at all times 24/7 but everyone in the house knows it, knows where the key is and knows how to use it. I know I have always treated every gun as loaded, father was a 25 year Marine and thought us kids well on gun safety. But , it only takes 1 nano second of not thinking about a gun being loaded, and it is way to late to tell the bullet to return. It scares my to death sometimes watching people handle "unloaded guns" I believe they are called "statistics" ..Mjc...
     
  14. X-Raycer

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    OP, Thanks for sharing your experience.
    Bad situations can be averted as your actions show.
    Firearms are tools that have to be respected.

    The Four Rules are So easy, yet can be overlooked in a moment of distraction.
     
  15. Rentacop

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    I think the best idea is to have a bullet-catching barrier in your house and only dry snap at that barrier . Tape a target to it if you wish. If you really agree with rule #1, you won't dry snap at your T.V. , light switch screws or the floor ( ricochet possibility ) .
    And that includes using that barrier when snapping a Glock to prepare it for disassembly .


    "Throughout my life, I've continually had to lower my opinion
    of the average man."

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  16. levelcross

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    So true, glad it turned out to be just an eye opener.

    A couple of years ago I was going to clean my SP-101, I hit the cylinder release and tipped it up to drop out the 5 rounds. I placed them is a plastic bin on the work bench, laid the gun down and got out the cleaning supplies. Now being ready to clean her up I looked again and saw 1 round still in the cylinder I then looked in the bin and counted 4 rounds. Although I did close the cylinder I did not pull the trigger as the hammer was not cocked, it still scared the crap out of me because I had just cleared the gun half A**ED.

    Needless to say now when I clear a gun, I clear it 3 times before it is empty. And the SP-101 still likes to hang onto the round closest to the frame every now and then.
     
  17. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Trust but verify as I always say.
     
  18. Rentacop

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    Just in case anyone doesn't know--The best procedure for unloading a DA revolver is :
    1) With finger off trigger and up on frame, release the cylinder .
    2) Cradle the gun in your non-shooting hand with your middle two fingers through the frame.
    3) Tip the muzzle up and work the ejector rod one smooth stroke, catching the rounds in your hand.
    4) Count the rounds ( The number should normally match the number the gun can hold )
    5) Make a final visual check of the cylinder .
     
  19. Mjclemm

    Mjclemm New Member

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    I do exactly that for my revolver, then place all 6 rounds back in the speed loader, and put a "wire tie" thru the cylinder so it can't be fired. I take it apart (cutting the wire tie at this time) clean the gun, then, reload. Trigger lock, and then put away. However, have it close by.. For that "Just in case". And hope to god I never have to pull the trigger!.. I've only got my gun out 2 times in 10 years for that "just in case" moment, but thank goodness, promptly put it back to sleep....

    Can't remember if I fired 5 or 6, well, what'll it be punk?
     
  20. wjnfirearms

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    Good words, good sentiment. Definately words to live by, and I mean live. Unfortunately, with the Darwin Award candidates amongst us in what seems like increasing numbers, we're ultimately condemned to hear of the occassional incident.

    I tend to reflect on the story told me by a fellow dealer last year. A guy walked into his shop looking to trade in a .22 pocket semi for something else more substantial. My friend asked the guy if the gun was unloaded which he responded absolutely to the affirmative, damn near swore to it. Being prudent as my friend is, he went to clear the .22 anyway, but with his big meat hooks, his hand slipped and the unloaded gun went off. The bullet travelled through the wall behind his counter, outside, and ended up in his carport just a couple inches from the fender of his Jeep. Thank God nobody was in the parking lot which was between the building and the carport. Pissed doesn't really describe him at this point. Greatful that no blood was shed, absolutely. About to kick somebody's ass, without a doubt. The bullet hole still remains as a reminder of sorts.