Al Gore and his cronies are big fat liars

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by downsouth, Feb 10, 2012.

  1. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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  2. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    Arctic warming

    Ive seen it, its all around me, I live on the NorthWest Arctic Coast of Alaska, wither you think he's full of it or not, the fact is we havent had any new beach ridges in the last 10 years, the fall time storms used to push sea ice up and its like natures sand and gravel company building beach ridges, towns along the Arctic coast have been loseing beach from these storms and errosion is a big deal here Shishmeref, Kivalina, Point Hope, Point Lay are just a few, We have recently started documenting the mud slumps along our northern rivers, slumps of thawed mud from melting permafrost dumping thousands of tons of silt in our rivers, tundra lakes are drying up because the permafrost underneath the lake beds no longer keeps them from draining.
    Im not big on Politicians but he's correct about the big thaw, I know folks in Fairbanks are having problems with their homes foundations that once sat on stable soil is no longer so.

    If you think Im full of it feel free contact some very concerned folks at the North West Arctic Borough that'd set you straight.
    (907)442- 2500
    also the USFWS at (907)442-3799
     
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  3. downsouth

    downsouth New Member

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    I don't know man. What do you make of the article.
     
  4. LONGHAIR

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    They ...ALL...LIE....!!!!!!!!.............
     
  5. roscoguy

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    Hey, knock it off! Throwing facts & observations around can ruin a perfectly good conspiracy theory... ;)
     
  6. Rex in OTZ

    Rex in OTZ Well-Known Member

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    News articles

    News papers writing stuff wont change the fact folks's homes are all wopper jawd, roads that were built back in the 1970's that were stable look like Moguls from a moto cross track, you tell me?
    The Himalayas? One instance by a investment paper? they want to invest in our beaches eroding? Bet there not concerned about silt in salmon's spawning areas either? I guess they can invest in farm'd salmon from China?
    the Greenland Ice Sheet is shrinking.
    there drilling for oil where they never would have before because of shrinking ice, Northern Passage Shipping, US Coast Guard likely to reopen the Nome Post (closed on 1905), Fishing Fleets are fishing northern waters they'd avoided before.
    All last winter on the western Horizon we had water sky all during the 2010/2011 winter (open ice) and this is 30 miles above the arctic circle we have lots of thin ice this year when ice fishing we dont need an auger extension like we did in years past.
    Let me see so far we have two guys, one from MI and one MO saying that were not warming up here?
    http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-....,cf.osb&fp=9bebf545d76b293f&biw=1280&bih=827

    http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF19/1979.html
    http://nsidc.org/cryosphere/frozenground/how_fg_affects_land.html
    http://www.northernforum.org/servlet/content/318.html
    http://gleb.obey.su/freefiles/coastal erosion of Beaufort Sea.pdf
    http://www.enr.gov.nt.ca/_live/pages/wpPages/soe_permafrost.aspx
    http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/
    http://www.livescience.com/13746-arctic-coast-erosion-climate-change-ice.html
    http://nsidc.org/icelights/2011/05/23/sea-ice-and-the-arctic-coast/
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/05/alaska-village-votes-yes-_0_n_1186647.html
    http://www.greatenergychallengeblog.com/blog/2011/11/09/alaska-storm-kivalina-climate-change/
    http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMTGPRTKMF_index_0.html
    http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/jf07/feature_polar-police.asp
    http://infoaboutalaska.com/historical/cutter-crosses-arctic-circle-anniversary-northwest-passage/
    https://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/7...ess-brief-in-Nome-regarding-Arctic-operations
     

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  7. Sniper03

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    Gore ???

    And it is a shame when a man can Win a Nobel Peace Prize on an all out lie in an attempt to maximize his investments in green companies and "Global Warming! "BS!" Flag is waiving!
    And another for doing nothing and for no reason at all unless it was apologizing to our enemies in the Arab Countries for our bad attitudes!:(
    Make the Nobel Peace Prize as respectful as a toy in a Cracker Jack Box! Oh excuse me the toy is of significant value!

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  8. roscoguy

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    The guy from Michigan (me) was trying to say that I believe what you have seen with your own eyes, rather than what an investment paper & others have presented to be a 'green' conspiracy. Sorry that wasn't clear... :eek:
     
  9. rjd3282

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    Everything I find says that we are and have been in a global cooling cycle for the last several years. Some reports have even suggested the cooling that occurred in 2008 was actually greater than the warming of the last 100 years.

    The climate changes for lots of reasons volcanoes and sunspot activity are two of the biggest reasons. The only reason the government is on the global warming band wagon so they can tax the hell out of us to fix a problem that doesn't even exist.

    I'm pushing 60 years old and I remember in the 60's we were told we would be out of drinking water in 10 years and that the world would be starving by the mid 70's. What a joke, look around we have more obese people now than ever before. In the 70's we were told there was an ice age coming then a few years later we're told we have global warming.

    I've been hearing the environmental wackos talking this crap for decades and they always want to blame the U.S. and Europe. Look around it's the third world countries crapping in their own bath and drinking water. The problem is they have no money so you can't collect taxes from them for polluting.

    I don't like pollution any more than the next guy but let's get real and follow the money trail. It's all about the taxes. Just wait until they start taxing your carbon foot print. Like everything else the government collects taxes for the money will be mis spent and lost and not a damn thing will be done. Remember the department of energy formed to rid of us of our dependence on foreign oil.

    If there is truly global warming the government, any government is that last group of people I want to solve the problem.
     
  10. BlueTurf

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    I am of the opinion that things like global warming and other climate changes is science, and not politics. Climate change is not a Democrat versus Republican or liberal versus conservative issue. Rex, I applaud you for offering scientific evidence to support your argument and not just rhetoric.
     
  11. Chandler51

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    And then there's always this.....
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  12. BlueTurf

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    These articles did offer scientific discussion, not politics, but it was more of what might happen in the future. Rex offered some evidence about what is actually happening right now. There is another headline on the cover that did not occur. Can you spot it?
     
  13. Sonic82

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    It was clear to me.
     
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    I don't think there's much disagreement that the climate is changing in some way. The big debate has always been....are we causeing it? I don't think there's much to support that we are. And... good post Rex.
     
  15. Chandler51

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    I agree with sonic......
     
  16. Chandler51

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    It's all speculation as to the cause tho. Look at the third column of the article...man may be responsible for the cooling...fuel burning, dust, etcetera blocking the suns rays from properly heating the earth? now it's the same story, but it's causing warming instead? There may very well be changes in the global climate. But it seems people like Mr Gore are trying to get the cause nailed down as being man-made so that the solution can be man PAID.

    Mother nature doesn't have a checking account, so it's not in their interest that this be natural phenomena.
     
  17. downsouth

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    With billions at stake, it always helps to claim both sides of the equation.
     
  18. BlueTurf

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    I don't think there is any doubt about the possibility of things we do impacting the environment, but the question is how significant? For example, with all of the industrialization taking place in China, the air quality in major cities has suffered greatly. The air around Beijing is absolutely terrible, and very unhealthy. It looks like bad fog or smoke all the time. For the last Olympic Games the factories were actually shut down temporarily to allow the air to clear. There is an extremely high rate of respiratory ailments occurring but the Chinese government doesn't care. I know all of you would hate to have to breathe this air, especially those of you who live in the more rural areas.
     
  19. Chandler51

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    I'm not arguing that fact. Dirty air is BS. That doesn't mean it's contributing to an overall climate shift.

    The climate has been changing for a LONG time. I seem to recall a previous "ice age" from history class...long before we were around.