AK47 style weapon: Reticle system and mount locations???

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Calbor, Apr 27, 2013.

  1. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    Hello everyone. I have a WASR10 7.62 x 39 AK style rifle. My cousin insists I shouldn't buy an expensive Bushnell or EOtech red dot system for my rifle. Apparently the rifle doesn't group close enough to use an expensive CQB reticle system and If I do buy one, I should buy a heat guard with integrated weaver/picatinni rail system. Apparently the correct spot to place a reticle system like this on an AK, is above the rifle' gas system vs. installing it in the traditional scope position using a side mount which puts it above the receiver.

    First question: is it a waste of $$$ putting a nice reticle sight on an AK47 style rifle?

    Second question: where is the correct location to install a reticle system like this?

    To give my cousin credit, he was in the Marines, continues to support the Marines as a contractor and has many rifles. I'm just trying to get more insight here.

    Thanks for the answers and/suggestions! Attached is a pic of my WASR10' current config.
     

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  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    The nice thing about red dot sights is that they can be put out front or near the rear if the rifle. The key is to have the sight and mount to be stable. Heat is usually the enemy if electronics and optics. Most folks natural inclination is to keep them off the gas system since this is where the majority of heat changes will take place on an AK. But, many AK owners use forward rail systems and some that are directly on the gas tube with good results.

    The advantage of forward mounting is that the sight takes up less of your field of view so that when you keep both eyes open you can see other targets or potential danger. The Russians used several optics though that mounted over the receiver via the side rail. The Kobra is one such sight that is similar to an EOTech in function. US military Aimpoints are usually mounted to the rear near the eye. They work fine in either location. Red dots are not for precision they are for CQB and getting rounds at center if mass quickly out to 200 to 300 yds which an AK is capable of.

    Now as to the need to spend a lot on the optic would depend on the intended use for the rifle. If you intend to bet your life on the rifle then I would spend money on a combat worthy sight such as an Aimpoint. If it for matches and range use then there are good substitutes. Lots if good reviews for Primary Arms red dots in AKs. Same for Bushnells TRS 25.
     

  3. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    Thanks for the feedback. I'll keep biding on my Bushnell HOLOsight then.
     
  4. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Unless you buy a cheap receiver cover mount, an optic is a good investment. I prefer a side mount that positions the optic over the receiver in a conventional position, because it allows the use of a Red Dot or a conventional scope.

    Having just said all that:eek::eek::eek: My Norinco AK-47 has a gas tube mount and a holosight.:D

    It's a darn good set-up, but the side mount and 1X-4X scope on my AK-74 is also a great setup.:confused::confused::confused:

    Ya really can't go wrong with either. Just avoid those top cover replacement mounts like the plague.
     
  5. 1911love

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    Loc, what is wrong with the top cover replacement mounts?
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    The inexpensive ones that have no way to lock in place will wobble and move during firing and you won't get a good zero. Some of the ones that use screws won't return to the same place, so you lose zero every time you take the cover off and put it back on. And many make stripping the gun harder, while one of the great features of an AK is the ability to strip it quick and easy.
     
  7. 1911love

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    Thanks Doc, is there a solution to get a 1913 top rail on an AK?
     
  8. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    Yeah. I don't feel comfortable enough to use those. The OEM cover wobbles too much fir me to trust it to hold a scope or reticle.

    I went with a sight rail that inserts to to the rear iron sight seat and screws into the stock. Its solid, but requires removal of the screw for weapon cleaning. I liked it because I was able to mount a scope and a brass deflector. I just picked up a side mount scope mount. Picked up a magnifier and currently bidding on a Bushnell HOLOsight.
     
  9. rifleman77

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    I personally do not think a ak needs a sight system. They aren't really built for range or extreme accuracy. I always thought of them as a close range stopper.

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  10. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Wobbly, of course. but it also requires that you re-zero every time you clean it.
     
  11. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    I picked up an EOtech Holosight and a 3 x magnifier. Keeping my fingers crossed they line up right.
     
  12. rifleman77

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    You spent double what the rifle is worth for optics? Ouch o well not like you can't take them off.
     
  13. mrBull

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    As far as mounting options Midwest industries has a lot of nice options.
     
  14. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Nothing wrong with that. I know many people that have $1800 scopes on $750 rifles.

    I have an $1150 ACOG on an $800 Bushmaster.

    The 6X Swaroxski on my Model 70 Win .30-06 cost more than the rifle.
     
  15. rifleman77

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    Whatever floats your boat. At least you buy nice optics. You get what you pay for in my opinion and you can't go wrong with eotech. I just remember paying (a few years back) $440 for my wasr 10 brand new. And last year spending almost $500 on my eotech 552 for my ar. I just always thought of an ak as a tommy gun. Kick in the door a mow everything in front of you down.
     
  16. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    :D:D:D when I was a kid (back in the dark ages:p)

    The old man that pretty much taught me how to hunt (after I lost my father at 13) used an old "as issued" Kar 98 Mauser he had "liberated" from a German that no longer had a need for it.:rolleyes:

    When I asked him why he had such an expensive scope (Lyman Alaskan) on a cheap rifle, he shrugged, and said that almost any rifle will shoot straight if it has good sights.

    That was some of the best advice I have ever had. I would have saved a lot of money and hassle if I had followed it from the beginning.:)
     
  17. rifleman77

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    I love my cheap wasr 10. Probably put 2000+ through it and never had one failure. Other than steel mags take a little extra love to drop out.
     
  18. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    I like that!
     
  19. Calbor

    Calbor New Member

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    Here she is with the new optics.
     

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  20. rifleman77

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    Nice how sturdy is that dust cover mount? And what kind of muzzle break you rocking?