AK accuracy from a moving boat.

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by KalashnikovJosh, Jun 1, 2010.

  1. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    [ame=http://www.spike.com/video/drive-by-somali/3400539]Drive-By Somali Style | SPIKE[/ame]

    This is an excerpt from Spikes show 'Deadliest Warrior',this will be next Tuesday's episode-"Medellin Cartel vs. Somali Pirates".

    The shooter demonstrated excellent trigger/fire control,using aimed short bursts-and from a moving,rocking,and unsteady platform-THIS is what you can do with an AK if you know how to handle it well.:)
     
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  2. Biohazurd

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    Interesting video. Thanks for sharing, kinda just shows that extreme accuracy is not needed to be effective on the battlefield. I can make hits with my AK at 150-250 yard ranges, which is fine for what i use them for, HD,SHTF scenarios, plinking...
     

  3. diggsbakes

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    That's what's magical about the AK. It may not print well on paper, but you can sure hit stuff with it.

    One of my favorite AK drills is to throw several chunks of lumber/scrap out on the range from 50-100 yds and blast them into nothing. Good times!
     
  4. KalashnikovJosh

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    AKs are assault rifles.
    Assault rifles can be loosely defined as long range sub-guns.

    Within the proscribed ranges,if used properly,they are absolutely deadly.
     
  5. JonM

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    the somali pirates dont really strike me as deadly warriors.. more like point the rifle in the general area an hold the trigger ubtil it stops. i found the video amusing using a trained rifleman to simulate the skill level of an untrained thug.
     
  6. KalashnikovJosh

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    Yeah I knew someone would say that.
    I dont necessarily agree with the shows choices regarding who is or who is not a 'deadly warrior' nor do I know who exactly this guy putting on the demonstration is.

    Sometimes,the show disappoints me seriously,calling mob and yakuza thugs 'warriors' and such-but to say that all 100% of thugs are untrained and cannot shoot and cannot fight is severely underestimating a potential enemy.

    Some of the most prolific criminals in American history were in fact military trained combat veterans-the James Gang for example.

    Thinking that the criminals from the prohibition were poor shots would have gotten you killed stone dead,as those folks were intimate with and knew how to use weapons as powerful as the Thompson SMG and the BAR.

    I've recently seen video of,unfortunately,a Marine trained gangbanger that served in Iraq with a modified SKS firing FA from detachable mags who ambushed and killed several cops using military combat tactics.It was on a show about the rising problem of gangs and gang members in the US military.

    Underestimation of an opponent is a very grave mistake.

    But-this is just a TV show,and I thought this was an excellent demonstration of the AK's use in the right hands.The guy -whoever he is- can shoot.

    If he is anywhere near representative of even a small minority of shooters in Somalia-we might have some real trouble in the future on the high seas in that region.
     
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  7. orangello

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    We are talkin' Somali's here; he should've been required to drink a dozen cups of high-test coffee beforehand to simulate the effect of that crap they chew, Khat. Khat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A college buddy's friend had much to say about some time he spent in Somalia with the USMC & how much he felt that drug impacted the situation. He indicated that by the afternoon, prettymuch everyone was chewing the stuff & carrying a gun. From people i've talked to who have direct experience with it, the stuff tastes horrible and must appeal only to the most desperate.
     
  8. KalashnikovJosh

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    Well maybe this guy is representative of what they can do when clean and sober?

    Once again,I don't know who he is or what his history entails.

    But I do know that underestimation of your enemy is right up there with assumption in being the mother of all f$%k ups.;)
     
  9. JonM

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    well my point was that the guy in the video can hardly be representative of the majority of somali pirates. most of them are teenagers or young adults who are given a rifle and told to go hijack ships. this also doesnt mean there arent a few that do have the ability to shoot or the ones doing the shooting if inexperienced cannot get lucky. my beef was their representation of that person's individual skill was portrayed as the standard.

    but that is a pretty sorry show overall. most of the comparison test are pretty hokey.
     
  10. zhuk

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    "We're sorry! This video is not available in your country."


    Hell I should be used to things "Not being available in my country" by now huh lol
     
  11. orangello

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    That's just messed up Z.

    Do you still have an "off" button on your TV? Have you located all of the cameras? That is spooky. :(
     
  12. KalashnikovJosh

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    You cant even watch a clip from a TV show?

    That is Orwell 1984 spooky.

    Just remember buddy- 2+2=4!


    JonM-its not really about the show-its about the gun.Lets just forget the 'Somali pirate' crap-thats just hype.
    I'm quite positive that the great majority of people wielding AKs in the third world suffer illiteracy,poor eyesight,and lack of training in the extreme.
    But don't underestimate a potential enemy because there may always be an exception to the rule,is all I'm saying.The moment you think your facing drugged up,shanghaied,myopic spray and prayers and think its safe to stick your head up-might be the moment you get your ticket punched by the one guy in the group that is the exception to the rule.

    Like perhaps this guy-but like I said,I dont know who he is.For all I know hes a first gen Somalian-American whos been trained by our military to shoot like that.

    Lets just watch the results of what that AK is doing when its being used the way it was meant to be used,by someone who is obviously able to see his target and knows how to shoot better than alot of people I've been next to at the state outdoor rifle range I often shoot at......

    And your absolutely right-that show has had some pretty disappointing moments,the recent Nazi SS vs. Viet Cong comparison nearly cost it my viewer-ship because I was really looking forward to seeing the AK being compared to the StG44.
    The MP40 wasnt even there......:mad:

    But as a whole,I could agree that the 'testing' is pretty random stuff-now if they REALLY wanted to impress me,they could start shooting all the guns they have into those anatomically correct gelatin human torsos.
    I've seen alot of bare and 'clothed' -and even some 'barrier'- ballistic gel tests where the terminal performance of a load/projectile is judged by a gel block-but never have I seen such a realistic simulation of a human torso.
    I'd love to see what bullets would do when tested in such a medium-which I'm sure you'd agree simulates 'the real thing' alot closer than a empty block of gelatin.
    They start doing that with all the calibers/weapons they play with,and maybe also shoot them all into those pigs-for every single gun-and then I'll really take serious notice of the show.
    Till then,its mostly just entertainment-with a few notable exceptions like this clip,which goes beyond entertainment and shows you what an AK can do in the right hands.

    I also really enjoyed watching Sonny Puzikas do his thing with the Makarov pistol,and on the same episode-watching the difference in tactics between American soldiers and Russian ones-as demonstrated by actual professionals.
    It was a real eye-opener,and a learning experience.
    Having actual professionals like that and an actual ER trauma doctor gives the show just a bit more credibility than mere entertainment in some episodes.

    Of course,in the end-it all comes down to a computer simulation,but without the hype of a "face off",there wouldnt be a show that we get to watch BARs,Tommy guns,ballistic knives and other fun stuff like nail bombs get used by people like Sonny.

    Its pretty good entertainment.And sometimes it even has the bonus of being informative.Sometimes.

    Of course-thats totally IMHO,and of course-YMMV.:)
     
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  13. DrumJunkie

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    Anyone spending the time they do doing the things they do are a little more than a street thug. They've stacked a lot of bodies...No, they are not some elite trained unit on most occasions. But many are taught to use their weapon just like those critters in the sand.
     
  14. zhuk

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    Dunno, orange. Maybe our wonderful "Great-Firewall-Of-Australia-Net-Filter" is kicking in a bit earlier than promised...after all, AKs (and other assorted semi-autos) are the very personification of evil in the world today, huh :rolleyes:
     
  15. KalashnikovJosh

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    I disagree that a mere inanimate tool should bear the burden of the 'personification of evil'.Rather,I believe that should be reserved for 'persons who represent evil'.

    Like these clowns-

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    I dont care what weapons they use,from homemade suicide bombs to whatever rifle to the subtle but just as possibly deadly art of politics-these scum represent the personification of evil far more than any inanimate object.
     
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  16. orangello

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    Z, you better check out that thread about a more "private" firearmstalk, in case this site gets blocked down there. :eek:
     
  17. zhuk

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    Couldn't agree more!

    Unfortunately our dear leaders have this peculiar idea that certain firearms are indeed intrisically 'evil' and must be banned lest their evil scourge society :rolleyes:




    Already bookmarked, orange! No one knows what's going to be on the net 'blacklist' atm...which is going to be secret anyway. Unless Wikileaks distribute it again, like they did with the hacked 'trial run' list lol
     
  18. diggsbakes

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    Blame the thugs, not the gun. Did think it was a weird "Deadliest Warrior" topic. They must be running outta ideas.

    I enjoyed watching the AK. Love me some AKs. :)
     
  19. KalashnikovJosh

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    The 'Deadliest Warrior' show is probably about 90% or more entertainment hype,10% or less actual science.
    Thats a better percentage than alot of shows on so called informational and educational channels.......

    They COULD change it up a bit and do better testing,but in the end-its all about the hype of a 'show down',and I seriously doubt,given the average double digit intelligence quotient of most people,that a show full of repetitive ballistics tests would be in its second season like this show is.
    For us,perhaps-getting to see each and every projectile weapon tested evenly and consistently with those awesome gel torsos and the pig corpses,with an expert evaluation by that ER doc they have,would captivate our attention entirely-but it would quickly be a very limited viewer-ship.

    Its all about the ratings.

    All about the hype.

    And man am I so sick of the hype.......:mad:
     
  20. diggsbakes

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    I'm with you Josh. That's why I'm gonna focus on my hobbies (gun related of course) and basically forget TV, except football, fighting and gun shows, obviously. ;)

    I wonder what the origin of that was. Seemed to be a damn fine weapon. :confused: