ak 74 buying tips

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by BlackJack, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Title says it. I want opinions on the best AK 74 variant rifle. I'm a very VERY savvy ar 15 nut and recently would like to get a AK 74. I've done a good bit of research and it seems arsenal is the way to go. Price isn't an issue. I buy quality that I know wont ever fail. So I'd rather not hear "u should get the century arms AK whatever, mine works great". no. No 1 million times over. Too risky. But I am open to opinions and do want to hear them. Are there any other manufacturers out there that make a good AK 74? I know siaga does but damn are they ugly. Now I am an ar fan. So accuracy is kinda a big deal. And I've heard good things about the arsenal aks. But I digress, lets hear it
     
  2. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Really? Nobody? Thanks for all the imput guys. Really appreciate the help on the ak forum.
     

  3. primer1

    primer1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I looked at one at a gun show once, I even picked it up. I can't remember who made it though.
     
  4. 7.62 Man

    7.62 Man New Member

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    If you buy a milled receiver it will be more accurate than the stamped receiver.;)
    Arsenal AK sounds good, I have never heard anyone with any thing bad to say about them.
     
  5. bluez

    bluez Well-Known Member

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    Talk about impatient.
    it wasnt even a full 24 hrs :eek:
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    not into the ak74. too hard to find ammo for it lately. its also not being made by any of the US ammo makers. only stuff you can get is imported and tahts only going to last at the whim of the feds.

    the other thing with em is finding parts is damn difficult at best.

    ak pattern guns arent exactly the most rugged things on the planet despite common misconception. the parts are poorly made and often sheer or break under lots of use. its pretty common to need to replace the rear trunions hammers and and gas pistons.
     
  7. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    How often is common? Say a few 1000 rounds? 10000?
     
  8. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Impatience is my name. Not to mention the few posts that followed mine got answers almost immediately
     
  9. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Had a Chinese mak 90 went about 2k before the hammer snapped it was obvious the soft metal of the rear trunion that held the recoil assembly was enlarging. Replaced the hammer sold it. I've seen others used at gunshows where it was obvious that things weren't right.

    There is no hard fast rule on breakage. I've got a rra ar15 that I built up using dpms parts that had those parts break in a few hundred rounds. A friend of mine has a Hungarian ak that has close to 10k through it no signs of wear.

    My point is look at availability of spare parts before you buy if its your only rifle. This is true of any firearm not just ak series
     
  10. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

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    For an AK74 based production semiauto, the best quality and value is the Vepr. Reasons are: 100% factory new, upgraded materials, fit and finish, authentic pedigree. The only possible downside is being heavier, but that could be a plus also.

    Next in line is the Saiga. It is also 100% single source, Russian, and very upgradeable. If you want military style, consider the Yugo: very solid receiver and the overall workmanship.

    I would not categorically say that a milled receiver is more accurate than a stamped one. Accuracy is a function of many variables, barrel quality being the dominant one. A milled receiver is expected to be smoother in operation and last longer. I have not seen any hard evidence pointing to better accuracy on account of a milled receiver alone.
     
  11. ccase39

    ccase39 New Member

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    Jeez someone sure has a high opinion of themselves.
     
  12. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Isn't the vepr 7.62x54r? Cuz I don't want to throw out my shoulder. And saigas are just ugly. I know there are "conversion kits", but its basically rebuilding the rifle. Also is there a 5.45 Yugo? Cuz if there is it has been very elusive
     
  13. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Nvm i thought vepr was a model, not a manufacturer. But I have the same problem like saiga, they just look ugly. I understand function over form but I'm not gonna buy a prius because they get good mpg. I saw a few 5.45 veprs that are converted but the price is about the same as arsenal. And arsenal uses russian parts from the factory too.
     
  14. Mercator

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    Liking any AK to a Prius in any context would send a few liberals to the hospital. The Vepr is a brand, not a separate manufacturer. It is to Saiga what Lexus is to Toyota. (No pun intended) It comes in several common calibers. My apologies I don't remember exactly if the Yugos come in 5.45 soviet. It is easy to look up.

    The serious difference is part kit assembly vs single source production. A rifle is more than the sum of its parts. You may get an excellent Arsenal, but an original factory production is more consistent over the years. The Saigas may be ugly but they are predictable. A part kit assembly may have little flaws here and there. One example, the magwell. You never know how much rattle and play you get until you handle that rifle. This is what I have experienced.
     
  15. BlackJack

    BlackJack New Member

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    Has anyone used a waffen works ak? I understand they have a us barrel but reviews seem positive.
     
  16. BlackJack

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    Nvm. Seems WW only uses non-CHF barrels. *sigh* looks like my 2 options are either a small fortune arsenal, or a conversion. So, final question. Has anyone done a convertion of a saiga 5.45 into a 74? And if you have can you do a price estimate please?
     
  17. Mercator

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    Around $100 for a parts kit, and free instructions to download. Or you can buy a conversion for roughly $700. It is a buyer's market, for now.
     
  18. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Arsenal makes a civilian AK-74 variant (SGL 31-95) that's as close as you're going to get to a real AK-74, but the ammunition is a problem and you can bet Obama and team are hard at work to cut off affordable ammunition sources to civilians.

    Keep your AR. Get a 7.62 AK if you just have to have an AK.
     
  19. Ultimate_sig

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    Check out Vepr, best made ak variants on the market. You could out shoot an Ar with one
    Here's mine


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  20. ccase39

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    I almost bought an Arsenal for 1000, used never been shot but I just like the look of the original furniture when it comes to an AK. Thats why I bought a cheaper one. I have my AR as a tactical rifle. I do like the new AK12 that just went into service. When those come out I will definitely get one. Now that I do have an AK in my collection I am going to start buying collectors starting with the M1, etc. I would love to find an M1941 Johnson. I know they are a better concept than function but I just like the idea.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1941_Johnson_rifle