Ak-47 or Ar-15

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by BigMike5950, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. BigMike5950

    BigMike5950 New Member

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    Im wife is giving me one of those you only get one deal untel next year so iam kind of stuck in the middle. Ak-47 or Ar-15, so I like the fire power of the Ak put dont like the shights, and the Ar-15 I like that u can customies it but needs more power. Any advice would help...
     
  2. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    I have an AK. I dont have an AR. If I were to choose one it would be the AR.
     

  3. BigMike5950

    BigMike5950 New Member

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    Well is there a Ar-15 with a bigge round ???
     
  4. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    BigMike, The AK is more powerful, ammo is easier to come by and cheaper, I think it's a bit stronger when it's getting beaten up, and should the SHTF, ARs and the ammo will be plentiful, either from trading, military, other civilians, or dead bodies. :eek:

    Something to consider - the AR was adopted by the military for several reasons, which may or may not correspond to your wants and needs. The U.S. Military wanted to replace the M1 because of complaints by troops. They wanted a weapon that was:
    Lighter,
    Had less recoil,
    was a smaller caliber so the troops could carry a higher number of rounds,
    Had a larger capacity box magazine,
    was smaller to accommodate a wider size range of soldiers.

    Another reason for changing to the 5.56mm round was attrition. If an enemy soldier were killed, only a single soldier was removed from battle - a job the 7.62mm did well. However, if that same soldier were wounded, two other soldiers had to stop what they were doing and remove him to the rear echelon to be treated. It would take time for them to rest, re-equip, re-arm and get back to the line. So one wound = three soldiers removed from combat, at least temporarily.

    Now, the AK is a lighter recoil than the 7.62X51 NATO, being only 7.62X39, which also means the weight falls right in the middle between that and the 5.56mm. It already has the larger box magazine at a standard 25 rounds to the ARs 30. The AK is very easy to carry and has many configurations, so the only question becomes if you are comfortable with the manual of arms. If you are not an exceptionally light or small-framed person, then it should be workable. :D

    So if your objective is to terminate with extreme prejudice instead of wounding people so they can be removed for treatment, then the AK is the way to go with its larger bullet, similar recoil, capacity and weight. Lots of accessories (cheap, too!) from hundreds of sources that are new manufacturer to ex-Russian military. ;)

    I hope it helps! :cool:
     
  5. Toll13

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  6. Firearms4ever

    Firearms4ever New Member

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    If you like the kind of sights that the AR uses, the ghostring/peep sight, then you can purchase the Krebs custom peep sight for the AK. I'm sure there are other manufacturers for peep sights. Regarding accessories the AK is not as modular or customizeable as the AK, but you can get a really good amount of things done to it.
     
  7. NativH

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    Personal preference but I'd take and AR anyday over an AK. But like I say, personal preference. I do know at extended ranges, say over 300 yards, I'd much rather have someone with an AK shooting at me than an AR. Don't think many AK's would do well at Camp Perry if you know what I mean. And as far as AK ammo being more plentiful than 5.56, uh, not anywhere I shop. And if you want the shizzle, get an Armalite AR10 in 308 and be done with it. Now you have a 1000 yard AR. Try that one with an AK. And don't go quoting the boys from Lousiana and their 1000 yard one off. That wasn't an out of the box AK by any means.
     
  8. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    You don't say why. Why?
     
  9. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    I don't know where this comes from.
    That is certainly not the rule or the reality
    from my perspective, and from my memory.
     
  10. ajp1943

    ajp1943 New Member

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    I have 2 AKs, a 47 and a 74 and a CAR-15. They are both good rifles but the AKAs are more robust and easier for cleaning and maintenance. Also, the 74 takes the newer soviet round, 5.45 x 39 that is relatively cheap and plentiful. The CAR is very accurate, especially with a scope - more so than the OAKs. In a fire fight, at reasonable ranges, both would be adequate weapons.
     
  11. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    How about an AR-45?

    AR hands down! You should build one.

    I've got both the AK (7.62) and the AR (5.56) and wanted a "bigger" hog gun so I went with another AR in 458SOCOM.

    Great THUMPER, albeit expensive to shoot unless you reload.

    Check it out here:

    The Build Time Has Come!
     
  12. a7mmnut

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    Don't listen to everything you hear. Firstly, the AK is, was, and always will be built on a 16" carbine length platform since it originated. The standard US battle rifle is a 20" gun, thus the name "rifle". Since the end of operations in Vietnam, the more common and popular AR packages are usually based on the 16" carbine like the M4 or CAR versions. You don't see many M4 carbines out on the 1,000 yard fields, do you? Then consider the AK in the same way--it is a true carbine. If you want to go long range, then the AR upper assembly can be had in many 18", 20", or 24" packages, some chambered for better long range calibers. Apples to apples, the AR is also more expensive than the AK, and much more complex to work on and repair. Besides, a .22 caliber rifle will always be a little .22 caliber rifle. Red Jacket just built a 1,000 yard AK sniper last night on TV. Each has it's own merits. I own both. What people mean to actually say is, "That rifle is really limited by its common cartridge chambering." Dealing with that is much simpler: If you can afford and like an AR best, then just get one chambered to fire the stouter and still affordable AK round. Better yet, build your own to suit your personal needs. Here are some great kits:

    Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 AR-15 7.62x39 16" Pre-Ban A2 Barrel Assembly

    Lotsa luck, <7><
     
  13. BigMike5950

    BigMike5950 New Member

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    Thanks everybody so I gess ill just bulid my own ar with a 7.62 upper.
     
  14. FCross7

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    It could just be internet rumor and such (as I don't have one), but I've heard the 7.62x39 AR's have feeding issues due to the greater curve of the magazine. Whether this is true or not, I'm not totally sure. So anyone out there that has one, is this true or just internet rumor.

    Also, if you like the heavier round but not the sights on the AK, how about a Mini-30? Many will tell you that they aren't accurate blah blah blah. They are accurate enough, at least as inherently accurate as an ak, but are easier to shoot accurately because of the better sights and longer sight radius. They're extremely light and handy, and are available in either 18" barrel, or a 16" with a flash hider, and there are also factory 20 round magazines as well as 30 rounders made by promag. As far are price, they fall right in the middle of the AK and AR, somewhere around $700.

    Just another option.

    Here's the link:

    Ruger® Mini Thirty® Rifle Autoloading Rifle Models

    -Fred
     
  15. NativH

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    There you go. Lots more ammo options with the 7.62/308 or 5.56/223 than the 7.62x39. I can't count the different loads for either of those rounds but rarely see more than a couple of different options in the russian round. And I do like options.
     
  16. Blaine

    Blaine New Member

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    I have an AR and AK, I would choose the AR-15.
     
  17. Bushman

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    I own both. The AK is a very robust rifle, and is a fine rifle due to it's dependability. It's the epitome of a guerilla rifle.
    The AR is more complicated but more precise rifle. It's dependable if maintained well. You can get a million things to hang on it. It's the ultimate modular rifle.
    Tough choice...
    The AK is rough and tough, in a rebel kind of way. The AR is tacticool and badass.
    I'd pick the AR just for upgradability, function ergonomics, and accuracy.
     
  18. Hawk

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    Go wioth the AR. The cost/value is more than a AK in the event you want to sell it later.
     
  19. Leathermarshmallow

    Leathermarshmallow New Member

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    I have both. I have to say that I really prefer shooting the AK. It is just rough and tumble to me. Not the refined rifle that an AR is.
     
  20. WhaleNoises

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    I'm pretty sure u can find them in .308