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Updated list of quality and affordable defensive sidearms for the budget-minded individual.

FEG PA-63 (9x18mm Makarov). Retail Price: $140.00 (est)



Makarov IZH-70 (9x18mm Makarov) or (.380 ACP). Retail price $170.00 (est)



CZ-82 (9x18mm Makarov). Retail price $170.00 (est)



Tokarev TT33 (7.62x25mm) Retail price $180.00 (est)

 

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Your idea of affordable, and my idea of affordable are a lot different. I'd rather have a good used Ruger security six, Ruger P series, RIA 1911, S&W model 28, other S&W used revolver, or something along those lines.
 

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I'm talking more along the lines of the most affordable while still getting a decent firearm.

Like for example, if you have someone that can barely scrape any money together, and they have a need for a defensive sidearm.

Of course if you can afford more, than you could go the likes of any used Ruger semi-automatic or revolver, or go with the choices you just listed.
 

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In my opinion, the quality of these pistols are excellent.

They are all very simple to field strip and maintain. The ammunition is readily available and not too expensive. The accuracy is on par with any other "service" grade pistol.

I think these pistols are the way to go when you cannot possibly afford anything else.

Another plus about these pistols is they are all (not sure about the PA-63) C & R eligible. Consider that it only costs 30 dollars to obtain a C & R license, you can get these for even possibly cheaper and get them delivered straight to your door.

Some other member of this forum have these types of pistols and they have very good reviews regarding them.

I now have a PA-63 and that is my utility gun. I am going to order some more magazines for it (14.00 on J&G) and will be using it as a CCW and a "tackle box" gun of sorts.
 

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Budget personal-security is an oxymoron.
Your (my) life has no price. If I have the slightest doubt, it doesn’t get carried!
Now if you are talking about a fun gun for pop can plinking or a range lizard duty I have no problem with cheap.
The minute it takes on the responsibility of protecting me everything changes!
 

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Budget personal-security is an oxymoron.
Your (my) life has no price. If I have the slightest doubt, it doesn’t get carried!
Now if you are talking about a fun gun for pop can plinking or a range lizard duty I have no problem with cheap.
The minute it takes on the responsibility of protecting me everything changes!
Quoted for truth.
 

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Like I said, this is for people that have almost NO funds for a firearm.

Being the recession and all, it could be helpful for someone who maybe lost their job and is stuck with an entry level position and is living in a questionable neighborhood.

If you have the ability to spend more money, then go for it. Just remember, those expensive Glocks, Kimbers, Rugers, Berettas can possibly jam at the moment of truth also.

I ask people not to drink from the "more money equals better quality" kool-aid. It's simply not true in all cases.

I would trust my life to a well-maintained Tokarev any day. Are you familiar with the performance ballistics of a 7.62x25mm Tokarev round?

Even the 9x18mm Makarov rounds have decent performance when you buy something like the newer Hornady 95gr hollowpoints.

Heck, I'm sure you guys are well aware of the good reputation the CZ-82 has as a carry piece. 12 rounds, still qualifies for C&R, and the accuracy is jsut as good as any other service-type pistol.

Bottom line, this is just info for those people that don't have the luxury of money or credit cards to go spend a big chunk of money on a firearm like a Springfield/Glock/Kimber/(insert other popular firearm maker here).
 

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Sgt-I can see exactly where you are coming from on reccomending reliable guns for people in need on extremely limited budget, but HIGHLY disagree with you about better quality, better built, better designs not being any more reliable-both in functional AND power wise. There's NO WAY you're going to convince ME that a top quality 1911 is no better than those much cheaper firearms. We'll have to agree to disagree on that. And to the effectiveness, with all other things 1/2 way equal-the bigger bullet IS going to make the bigger hole-end of story. Combine the bigger hole with enough penetration and you have the best possible defense gun.
 

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You totally misread my post.

I said that higher price doesn't mean higher quality in ALL cases.

Sure you can get good quality, but paying higher doesn't mean you are immune to getting lemons.

On that same note, lower price doesn't automatically mean that you are getting a piece of crap gun.

The only reason these guns are cheap is because they are old mil-surp and are a dime a dozen.

Like I said before in previous posts, if you can afford to spend a little more money on a firearm, then do it. Especially in regards to getting a 1911 style pistol (the best design you can get). Another option is to buy an inexpensive firearm like what I listed, and save up money until you can get a more expensive pistol.
 

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You totally misread my post.

I said that higher price doesn't mean higher quality in ALL cases.

Sure you can get good quality, but paying higher doesn't mean you are immune to getting lemons.

On that same note, lower price doesn't automatically mean that you are getting a piece of crap gun.

The only reason these guns are cheap is because they are old mil-surp and are a dime a dozen.

Like I said before in previous posts, if you can afford to spend a little more money on a firearm, then do it. Especially in regards to getting a 1911 style pistol (the best design you can get). Another option is to buy an inexpensive firearm like what I listed, and save up money until you can get a more expensive pistol.
I got $600 for my Kimber when the economy took a crap and I got laid off at least, you can't say that for some POS commie surplus pistol. Keep in mind that I paid about $700 for it in '01 and it's got at least 10k rounds through the pipe.
 

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True, these "cheap" pistols hold no value, but then again, that's not the reason for buying a sidearm for defense.
 

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True, these "cheap" pistols hold no value, but then again, that's not the reason for buying a sidearm for defense.
It hurt me to sell the Kimber, but it kept the heat turned on and kept food in my kids' mouths. I didn't buy the pistol as an investment, it just ended up that way. C'est la vie.
 

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I really do hope you'll be able to get another Kimber sometime soon. I've had to get rid of a well-liked firearm before so I feel your pain.

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I have a Hi-Point 9mm that I would gladly get rid of....:p

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
 

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I got rid of my Hi-Points a while ago (a 9mm and a .45 ACP). I traded them off to help purchase a nice RIA 1911 pistol.

I didn't like how the Hi-Points would leave an indent on the primer of a live round if you tried to clear out the pistol. It's probably a non-issue, but it made me nervous regardless.

Considering that there are better quality pistols out there than the Hi-Points, I would now advise to avoid buying a Hi-Point unless nothing else is available to you. A Hi-Point will fire and will operate as intended, but you'll get much better quality from something like a Makarov, CZ-52, etc....

Basically I really liked the Hi-Points when I first got them. The longer I owned them the more I hated holding them in my hand. I wanted something different and better.

To each their own. I am a perfect example of how a persons taste can change over some time and research.
 

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Two of the ranges in my area will not allow the use of any Hi-Points.
 
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