Advice ? Wasr 10/63

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by Down_Town_Dalton, Nov 20, 2013.

  1. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    I just left cableas with my new wasr. When I got home I was looking over the rifle and I had been hearing problems with wasr's and their canted sights. Sure enough the sights are canted. This is my first AK so I'm not entirely sure where to take this from here, should I contact cableas or century arms ? Any help is appreciated
     
  2. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Start with Cabelas, you paid them. If it has to go back to Century, it will have to go through an FFL anyway.

    It's weird, I've seen a bunch of WASR's, but I've never seen a crooked one.

    Can you post us some pics for those who don't understand canted sights?
     

  3. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    Give me 30 minutes and ill post some pics thank for the advice anyways.
     
  4. bige91603

    bige91603 New Member

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    You can either take it back and wait forever to get it back or gently fix it yourself. It doesn't look to be off by much
     
  5. kbd512

    kbd512 Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah, that FSB is not that badly canted. I'd take it to a machine shop or gunsmith who (someone with levels and action blocks and a drill press with a vise mounted to the table), punch the pins out, straighten out the FSB, re-drill slightly larger holes, put slightly larger pins in, and call it a day.

    Post some pictures of what your barrel and trunnions look like. That's more important than the FSB being off a little. Take the upper and lower hand guards off before you take the photo… Perhaps even the pistol grip so you can put the receiver on a table.

    Does your gun have an optics rail? Are you going to use a micro red dot with it anyway?
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Are you sure the sight is canted or are you talking about the post being driven over to the side? That could be adjustment for the rear sight being off. Have you run a straight edge along the sight base to the front trunion to check the sight base?

    The sight drum is adjustable for a certain amount of variation.
     
  7. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    I'm not really sure. Honestly, I wouldn't know a canted from a not canted. I just looked at my sight, realized it was crooked and started seeing on the forums that wasr's are famous for canted sights. I took it back to cableas they promised they'd have it fixed by the time I get there after work.
     
  8. Quentin

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    That's about how my WASR sight is adjusted to get the windage dead on.

    I imagine they'll just adjust it to mechanical zero so it looks good but then you may find your POI way to the left after the adjustment. You really should start zeroing the rifle before adjusting the front sight.
     
  9. nfafan

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    Go here for all Romy AK all the time;

    http://www.novarata.net/Linx310/model.shtml

    Look for the link within discussing "cant".

    Also - have Cabela's ship it back to Century for you, as I have had Dunham's do for me several times. No need to ship on your nickel when the store should be doing so on your behalf.

    If YOU do decide to ship on your own to Cent, contact Cent for an RMA and ship it on your own via common carrier. These are legal repair shipments under ATF.

    When repaired, Cent can legally ship the repaired gun right back to your own front door (assuming you live in a Free America state...). I have also done this. Always a treat to come home and find that UPS has dropped off an AK!
     
  10. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    because the sights arent centered doesnt mean its canted...

    bore sight it first.
     
  11. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    Let us know how they fix it. It honestly doesn't look too horrible, but worth getting checked out. I would get a sandbag and take it straight to the "range" for testing.
     
  12. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    Ok sorry for the wait got kinda busy, well they called me and the gentlemen from cableas told me I had to go buy a sight adjustment tool and "fix it myself" and that it's "common". That didn't sit we'll with me so asked to speak to the firearms manager. He told me to bring it in and they'll ship it to century and ensure it gets fixed. I appreciate the patience I am trying to learn as much as possible about all Types of firearms but I'm pretty much the only one that's really interested in my family. Thanks for the advice everyone.
     
  13. Bubba7

    Bubba7 New Member

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    I don't have one but I have a Yugo70 buy ibe heard good amd bad things about wasr's .......just make sure to inspect it before buying
     
  14. Quentin

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    Just to be clear, did you ever fire it and test for zero? Or bore sight it? I wouldn't ship it back before zeroing it myself.

    The Cabelas guy is right, this is common with the WASR. I had to play with mine to zero and the sight is now adjusted about like yours. Sure it would be nice for mechanical zero to also be POA/POI zero but we are talking ultracheap AK here. These used to be $275 guns. I paid about $300 anyway about six years ago and was happy Century offered so much gun for the money so a few warts were acceptable. Now if this had been an Arsenal there'd be reason to complain.
     
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  15. purehavoc

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    I dont think your talking about canted sights , the back sight is stationary so the front has to move to make it adjustable . its not uncommon for the front pin to be to one side or the other , Mine are actually canted a little bit but nothing like this picture , it worked out that mine sit in the center because of the canted FSP .
     

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  16. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    This was what I was thinking. What I see in the OPs picture is a front sight post that is drifted over to teh left of the gun. That is not always an indication that the front sight base is actually canted. There is an ammount of adjustability to the front sight to be drifted from side to side to actually sight in the rifle. If it can be adjusted to hit at point of aim when teh sights are alighned, then it is considered in spec. If it is adjusted to the maximum ammount of travel and still is hitting of to the left. then the sight base may need to be reinstalled. I will agree tht is it not pretty, and everyone would like their front sight post to be in the middle of the wings of the sight base, but the reality of the AK is that they're made for function over form.

    It sounds like you already have a plan from the manager at Cabella's to get the issue taken care of. IfCentury can get things straightened out for you and have you on target, then it is nice. If the gun gets sent back with a sight in target thta is on target and the sight is still drifted left, then I'd leave it alone and shott the snot out of the rifle. My first WASR had a taget with it that had three shots on it that were an inche to the right of the aiming point on the target and my front sight was a bit left of center. I bought the adjustment tool and pushed it over to the right a bit, and it was hitting point of aim. It was still a little off center in relation to the sight wings, bit it hit what I actually aimed at, and I was staisfied with that.

    My second WASR has the sights really close to center and it also hits what I aim at, and I never had to touch it. My MISR 90 has teh sight post a bit off to the right, but it hits at point of aim. Not pretty to look at, but mechanically it's on target.
     
  17. Down_Town_Dalton

    Down_Town_Dalton New Member

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    Sorry everyone for not replying, it's finals week so I've been really busy.long story short cableas sent it off to century for me and I should only be waiting about a week or two for my rifle back. No big deal. I appreciate everyone's advice and I'm happy I had a place to come and ask for opinions !!
     
  18. SSGN_Doc

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    Cool. Keep us posted when it comes back.