Advice on redoing a rifle...

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by fmj, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    Its a should or should not kinda thing i am getting at here. Everything i have ever read/seen/heard about refinishing a gun is that it takes the "Collector" value out of the gun.

    The gun in question is my Ruger 44. It was manufactured in 1967 and these guns arent being made anymore nor have they for quite a while. They are hard to find and as time goes by i am sure they will become more and more collectible.

    Now, the stock is kinda beat up, knicks and dings and the finish is worn off in spots. Something one would expect from a gun that is 44 years old and has been used as a "brush" hunting gun. I have been thinking about ordering a new stock from Midwayusa.com and dropping the the steel parts into it. The bluing/steel is in good condition overall.

    Should i or should i not?? This is the question i am posing here.
     
  2. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    Reversable mods where the old original parts can be readily restored doesnt hurt the value at all. Long as you save the originals.
     

  3. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    I did think about that.
     
  4. Jordanss2112

    Jordanss2112 New Member

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    I agree changing the stock isn't going to destroy the value but if its something that you plan on giving the kid in twenty years then while little things here or there might make so collectors go crazy but if it keeps the 44 serviceable then go for it, I don't know about you but there are quite a few guns that I have no plan on selling.
     
  5. Wambli

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    Unless the gun is in new unfired condition with box and papers the chances of "value" becoming a major issue within your lifetime are almost nonexistent. I have no problems taking a good working gun and diving it a facelift.
     
  6. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    Yeah, i dont really intend on selling it. When i am dead and gone it will be the one of the kids guns, prolly the youngest considering hes the one that seems to really have the shooting/hunting bug. Its in "serviceable" condition now, just a little beat up is all.

    I am like you, most of the guns i have will NEVER get sold. One is a Rem gamemaster .35 with a 3 digit serial # in pristine condition that was my Grandpas (He was his dads 2nd son, it went to my dad his dads 2nd son, i am my dads 2nd son....any guesses which of my sons gets it when i am dead?;)) My dads Rem Model four in 06, My dads Ithica 37, My grandpas Win. 61 in pristine condition and so on and so forth...nothing really valuable but in my eyes PRICELESS pieces. I am just the caretaker until they become my kids.

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    I am just looking down the line to when one of my grandkids ends up with it. Something a little more valuable....i hope the next generations have the same mentality as I....knowing what you have but having no intentions of ever selling, just knowing you have something of value. I dont know if that makes any sense to anyone but me?
     
  7. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    Since your going to keep in the family thats all ready a well used firearm then buy'n parts that may not be easy to find as time goes by as smart but I would not just dress it up for the sake of makeing it look better. Get any small parts like springs fireing pin, extractor. that type of items that will not be avaible as the years go by. A oringinal stock would be nice but not a repo. Nothing wrong with a great used looking well mantained used firerm, thats just the character showing.
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Yeah don't worry about it. You intend to pass it on, so keep it in good shape. Like someone else said, NIB unfired would be one thing, but this one obviously isn't. Just take care of it by whatever means you deem worthy.
     
  9. PowerViolence

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    HEres my take on redoing firearms. Do you plan on keeping forever? I know people always change there minds, and who knows 10 years down the road you might want to sell it, idk.

    If you have no intentions of selling it ever, than do what you want to it. You could always do a factory restore, or as close as you can get.

    Sorry if that doesn't help, it works for me!
     
  10. 30-30remchester

    30-30remchester New Member

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    To me you are commiting a historical crime. I can never figure why people want to remove a guns history. Every dent, ding, and rub mark is evidence that this gun, unlike most, has been there, done that, and have the scars to prove it. I am as a proud as a new papa of every scar my rifles, knives, tools and truck has. While most guns dont get used much and only taken out to go to the range in a padded case then in the same case to a tree stand and home, working guns are an American icon. Whenever time allows I take one of my well worn guns afield. I sit with it and wonder what this gun has done and where has it been to look like it does. What I would suggest is to ask the original owner of this beloved gun where it has been, what it has done and how many game animals it has taken, then write it down and leave it with the gun. Everytime I see a working gun next to some closet queens the only gun that attracts me is the working gun. Why not use the money you are going to spend destroying this gun and buy a new one instead and leave this gun alone? If you refinish this gun you will just end up with another shiny gun. Instead show off this gun to your buddies and explain that this is what a working gun looks like and every mark on it is this guns service stripes. Just my opinion.
     
  11. PowerViolence

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    Call the Time Police
     
  12. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    I WISH i could track down the original owner(s) of this gun and ask. That would be too cool!

    I am also of this opinion as well...sorta, kinda, for the most part.

    tis why i posted this query. To get others opinions and take on this.

    To tell the truth YOU GUYS AINT HELPIN'! :rolleyes:;):D

    But seriously, THANKS!

    IMHO the best advice so far is...
     
  13. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    **Back story**

    I was looking for a .44 mag. auto to use for deer in this NON HP state. Shopped for quite a while hunting one. Found one locally but the guy wanted STOOPID money for it. So a couple buds suggested i tag along with them to the Indy 1500 gun show. So i did, out of over prolly 150,000 guns (vendor and private) i bagged the ONLY Ruger .44 mag in the place. After a bit a of dickering, and the flashing of a fistful of bennies i bagged her for a couple hundred under budget.

    Heres some shots of her...before and after....

    As Purchased...
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    How she groups...5 rounds factory ammo.....
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    How shes set up now...
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  14. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    "Character marks"..."dings and dents"
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    Worn finish...
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  15. trip286

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    covering character and repairing are two different things. Keep it in good working order is all I would do. The advice about collecting some of the hard to find parts probably is the best advice you'll get.
     
  16. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    OK, WTH am i going to find the springs,firing pins etc etc for a gun that hasnt been in production for over 20 years?!?!
     
  17. 30-30remchester

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    That is quite a good looking rifle. It appears to have done some serious work in the past. Now see where and what you can do with her.
     
  18. Mecanik

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    wow do I agree with you.

    30-30 Remchester I tip my hat to you. You just said something I don't think I could have put into better words. The "history" of a firearm is the nicks and scratches you talk about. I have always been attracted to "used" guns that tell a story and everytime I buy a gun from someone I ask for the story behind it. Who owned it and what do you know about it. So many people want to "restore" a firearm. In my humble opinion there is no such thing as "Firearms restoration" Only the continued destruction of history. It's sorta like wanting to raise someone from the dead. It can't be done. Now "repairing" a firearm is possible and permissable as long as you keep it within reasonable limits. Sandpaper is an abomination to the wood of a old rifle. Just my opinion.
     
  19. Txhillbilly

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    Numrich Gun Parts!
     
  20. 30-30remchester

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    Thanks for the kind words MECANIK. Its nice to know there are others out there with my tastes. There are instances inwhich I feel strong measures must be taken. I just was handed an old Mossberg 22 that had been abandoned in an old tool shed. The stock had gotten so wet over the years that the grain had opened up and the finish fallen off. Light rust had completely covered the metal. In these instance I personally dont consider this 'HISTORY", I consider it neglected. I was able to very lightly sand the stock after a wood filler filled the open grain. Stain and finish was applied to the stock then and with considerable elbow grease and steelwool the bluing reappeared though thin. When all was done the old Mossberg went from unusable to at least a nice barn gun. Old knives as well can tell a story so I lightly clean them and use whatever measures must be taken to stop active rust as this is a cancer that will destroy either gun or knife if left. However the rifle in the pictures just looks cool. An honest hard working gun with caracter.