Advice for training brother inlaw

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by MobileMarine, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    OK to make a long story short my mother and brother inlaw are now living beside me . He is 27 but he has a minor metal handicap , mind of a 18yo basically .Since he is now the man of the house Im going to give him my taurus ultralight 38 spl with laser . Now I have been shooting my whole life but I have never taught anyone before . He has a bad problem with flenching and shooting way way high , he does ok with my beretta but hes not gettin that one :D . Any tips or tricks I can teach him ? I plan on both of us going for firearm instruction class
    but I want him to know a bit more before he goes , and no mater how much you may think you know you can never stop learning . Btw we were shooting that snubbie @ 25yrd is that too much for a newbie ?
     
  2. c3shooter

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    Think about that for a while..........
     

  3. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Would he pass a background check to be able to buy a gun of his own?
     
  4. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Indeed. I concur. You may have bit off more than you want to chew here. :eek:

    Yes.
     
  5. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Not a bad idea, so long as his handicap IS VERY MILD, and doesn't prevent him from legally owning a handgun.

    My BIL is severely handicapped, I think its severe brain damage, doc says down syndrome and he knows more about it than me, but he doesn't have the physical characteristics of DS, and I've shot with him. I treat him like a child, while trying to give him the due respect of a grown good man.

    I won't let him shoot alone (not hard to do, he lives in WV, I'm in MS, and I'm the only one who shoots with him), and I would never let him have/borrow one of mine. My BIL is very emotionally unstable and would be likely to attack family members in a fit of rage.

    That being said, having a handicap and being "slow" aren't always the same thing. I've known many who were said to have a handicap and they were just dumb. Now that sounds mean, but it's the truth.

    As far as working with him, if you haven't given him a gun yet, don't do it until your confident and have checked out the legal issues. While working with him, emphasize safety more than anything. It's what I did, and you couldn't FORCE my BIL to do anything unsafe now, at least not while he's in his right mind.
     
  6. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Depends on the level of mental issue. Is he just a bit slow, or is it a control issue where he has rage issues?
    Truthfully, first question I would have (and no, I wouldn't provide him one of my guns), would be, if he were staying in your house, would you be comfortable with him armed?
    If you hesitate, why would you put YOUR self, and your families security, on the line?
    If worse comes to worse, you can use walkie talkies and run next door.
    Without more information, however, giving you a 'do it this way' answer isn't going to help.
    Training an adult is significantly different than training a child, and if you're talking about a man-child, then you have an even more challenging process ahead of you.
    (Also, the flinching? Seriously, is he safer with a phone than a handgun? We may all (for the most part) have a RIGHT to bear arms, but SHOULD everyone be armed? There's folks I see regularly out in public that I wouldn't trust with a Daisy BB gun, much less a shotgun.
     
  7. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    No no no , noo rage or control issues , lazy ? yes . He is more annoying than anything else . I dont think there is a legal issue at all , his maturity level and learning level is just a bit behind , I talked to one of my swat customers who also does tactical , ccw and basic training and he said he would work with him no problem . i think he is fine , just not on the maturity level a 28yo should be
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I've seen that in a friend of mine, his mom got married to some dude who beat the snot out of him every day, and he grew up to just be childish. rough childhood.

    It's great you've found someone to work with him. Better for being a professional trainer.

    Best of luck to y'all
     
  9. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Glad you found someone to help you, but again, I must ask: Would you be comfortable having him sitting in your house armed when you aren't there, leaving him with your family.
     
  10. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Yes I would have no problem leaving him there , He plays every sport under the sun so I know he can learn. The main thing I have taught him so far is to keep your finger off the dang trigger until your ready, all my guns stay loaded , never point at anyone you dont intend to shoot. But he can some how shoot a berreta 9mm and make it not cycle ?????? I have yet to figure that one out lmao
     
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  11. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Can he buy a gun on his own? If he can't, you may want to consider a tazer for him. Last thing you want is to have him shoot someone with your gun, even in self defense. Then it comes down to how big a phallus a prosecutor wants to be, and then you and your BIL are drug though the mud.
     
  12. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Maybe he's limpwristing it?
     
  13. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Bad as it sounds, I think you're right. Got his hand too far down on the grip, and it's screwing up the cycling.
     
  14. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    MobileMarine, as far as his competence, I think a quick call to his doctor with his permission or his guardian's permission would allay everyone's fears and it would completely remove any liability on your part in the future should there be some sort of accident. It would do you well to have a letter from his doctor saying there are no conditions in his mental damage that would prevent him from owning or using a gun. This isn't meant to be insulting or intrusive, just good common sense for the whole family! :)

    As for your shooting questions, I believe any snubbie, no matter how downloaded, is a poor choice for a new or inexperienced shooter. The reason is that the recoil and controlability issues are much harder and most rounds have powder still burning when the bullet exits the snubbie, causing extra flash and noise. Snubbies seem to have all of the problems with none of the benefits, other than concealability. As far as the 9mm, I believe I can add my vote to limpwristing, as any deficiency in the gun that would cause that problem should also happen when you fire it if it is a mechanical failure. If it only happens when he shoots, that is the most likely problem.
     
  15. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Not to be an arse , and honestly I really dont think there would be a legal issue and 2nd I live in a very relaxed , gun friendly county , and the sd office is under review by the sbi , my OP was asking for pointers not legal issues , if it comes down to protecting him or his mom I dont think I or him would not shoot b/c I was wondering if I would get into trouble. They live 100ft but I want him to have one and I want him to learn to take care of it and how to use it . The gun will last forever , that playstation wont
     
  16. trip286

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    Problem found.
     
  17. BenLuby

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    Then...based on the premise that all the legal issues are not a problem, and we're discussing this hypothetically, if he's better with the 9, other than the cycling problem, check his grip. Sounds like he isn't holding it firmly.
    Secondly, try a .380 or a 9mm.
    Worse comes to worse, get him a .22. Yeah, it's a plinker, but, if a shotty is out of the question, then get something is comfortable with. A .22 that hits is more dangerous than a .357 that misses, after all.
    Last thing? How does the MIL feel about you getting a gun in his hands, and having one in her house?
    The PS3 comment doesn't worry me. My son's have one each, and so do I. Great for blue rays and dvd's.
    Find something he is comfortable with, that he can reliably hit the target with. Be VERY aware, as I know you already are, that in a situation where he needs that gun, his reactions are going to be significantly different than shooting at a range in a controlled environment, and you are making a call on his ability to stay calmer in such a situation, and not make a bad decision.
     
  18. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Well when he was using the snubbie with the laser grip , the laser is low and right if your iron sights are bulls eye . Knowing this myself i told him to keep the laser on so i could see more or less where he was aiming . I repeatedly asked him if the sights were target centered '' yes'' are you sure ? '' yes '' OK the why is the laser @ the top right hand corner ? My shooting skills are up to par but my teaching skills suck . By the end of the day he had my K frame .22 '' most accurate hand gun I own '' and he was still off target . Maybe somthing with a scope would help out . I can get a ruger mk3 with scope for 300.00 but its not too much cheaper than than a new one . BUt just to give him some credit we were shooting wad cutters and balls in the 38 .

    BTW And im going to duck on this question .. what is limpwristing ? and how would that cause it not to cycle ? I gave thought to it being a semi dud round IE
    not enough power to cycle but just enough to make it down range
     
  19. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Limpwristing is not having a firm grip, up high, on the firearm. By letting your hand slip on the grip, it lets the handgun kick up more, and this can screw up the cycling, as that resistance actually helps it cycle.
    To give you an example, next time you go to the range, fire normally. Then, lower your grip about a quarter inch, and do NOT fight the recoil. Let it go up all the way, and you'll fail to cycle properly.
    A lot of FTE's are more due to improper grip than to gun malfunction.
     
  20. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    Makes sense , Ill have to try it next time