adjusting trigger pounds how hard

Discussion in 'DIY Projects' started by jekyllandhide, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. jekyllandhide

    jekyllandhide New Member

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    Im looking at a rifle but it got a heavy trigger how hard is to lighting it up if its not adjustable from thr factory
     
  2. gunnut07

    gunnut07 New Member

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    What kind of rifle is it?

    Savage with an accutrigger is easy as pie to adjust, as is the new remington trigger.

    The older Remington trigger is not hard but you need to follow the instructions.
     

  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Jekyll, listen very carefully, as this is very important. do not under any circumstances mess with trigger pull weights or try doing a home DIY triggerjob. it can end in very bad results. triggerjobs are best left to expert gunsmiths for the simple reason, that the trigger is the one of the parts that makes any firearm safe. if you go about messing with them without knowing what you are doing, it could lead to a very dangerous trigger and make the gun very unsafe. i can not stress this enough, Don't Fool With the Trigger. if you want it done to smooth it out or lighten it, take it to a gunsmith, a competent gunsmith. the money spent is peace of mine.
     
  4. Sniper03

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    I agree 100% with AXXE!

    Triggers should be left up to those who are skilled with working on them and putting them in. As stated a lot concerning our advise will be in direct regard to what rifle are you talking about. Some have adjustable triggers and some do not. There all kinds of good after market triggers available also. SO get us the Manufacturer information including the Model Number of the rifle.

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  5. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    thank you Sniper03. another point i will add is this, if the trigger is adjustable one from the factory, and you want to adjust it, then buy a trigger pull weight gauge and FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE OWNERS MANUAL TO THE LETTER! without a trigger pull gauge, and you try and adjust it, how will you know what weight it is. check the weight before and after adjusting.
     
  6. jekyllandhide

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    Thanks everybody i eould like to call myself a shadetree gunsmith if there is such a thing i never have messed with a trigger other thsn cleaning and pull to shoot just didnt know the level of difficulty il refer to a gunsmith i know a good one and it was the savage axis me and axxe talked about a couple of good guns the savage being the cheapest just got like a 5.5 or 6 lbs trigger iv seen you tube vids shooting 1 in to 1/2 in groups at 100 yards i just dont know what to get
     
  7. gunnut07

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    What are you guys talking about?

    The accutrigger and the x-mark pro trigger come with tools to adjust them. The old Remington factory trigger the evil killer one is not much harder to adjust. You need to follow a good set of instructions and do a drop test every time you make an adjustment to it. I myself have every thing from a factory to a timney to a Jewell to a canjar on my rifles I have adjusted every one of them my self. Be smart due common sense and be smart about it.

    For the factory old evil killer Remington trigger http://quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html

    If it is an AR then you adjust most of them with a spring replacement unless you have a non mil spec trigger like the Jewell AR trigger.

    If it is a another rifle manufacture you have to research it. This is no some voodoo black magic to adjusting triggers and there is no need to kill a goat or chicken for it either.
     
  8. jekyllandhide

    jekyllandhide New Member

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    A savage axis 308. They got a heavy trigger i never have even held one just red about them
     
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Jekyll, i do some of my own trigger work on my own firearms. but there is no way iwould ever do someone elses firearms for any amount of money. i know me, i know my firearms and i take very special care to do a thorough job, safely. i also do a very thorough safety check afterwards. i would also say this, i would never advocate anyone but a compentent gunsmith doing a triggerjob on any firearm. i have a very close friend who happens to be a very skilled gunsmith who taught me quite a bit over the years. i have a few rifles that are strictly bench rifles and will never ever be used for hunting because the triggers are much too sensative for hunting. also when it comes to triggerjobs, there are only a few people in this country i would trust doing to do it to one of my firearms.

    make sure that the person you trust to do one is compentent, as your safety as well as others depends on it. a compentent gunsmith will gladly give you references of jobs he has done for others if he is confident of his work. if he can't or won't, then run very quickly and look for another one. if you explain to him it's a matter of feeling confident in the safety of the job done, he will understand why you want those references and not be offended. if he is offended, look eslewhere.
     
  10. jekyllandhide

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    Another good peice of advice from axxe you seem like you know what your talking about i wont do anything for anybody else other maybe help put a stock or scope on something i cant srew up i was rased to safe and senseable about guns and safty thank you for your consern and i agree with what you said
     
  11. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    sorry Gunnut07, this is one area not to ever tread lightly into if a person doesn't have the skillset to do it properly. and posting information such as links to sites to do trigger adjustments for someone who has never done them before is irresponsible and foolish. something i don't condone one bit. how would you feel if some novice takes those links to sites, adjusts his trigger and someone were to get hurt or killed because of it?

    sometimes there is way too much information on the internet and too many post information that is either wrong or outdated. how is someone who doesn't know the difference in correct information or wrong information? sometimes they don't. better a compentent gunsmith show him how to do it properly or do it for him.
     
  12. gunnut07

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    How would I feel? No different. I didn't do it and I had no part in it. Some times you as a person has to be responsible for your own actions.

    If you heed the warnings and follow the directions to the letter you will be fine.

    As for the rifle in question Never touched one I see on the internet you can fiddle with springs and what not. I am not advocating that. The Remington, Jewell, Timney, canjar, Riflebasix, and savage accutrigger are all made to be user adjustable.

    I didn't provide the links and videos for the Axis trigger jobs because they require you to use a spring from a pen or what not. Never endorsed someone doing a job above their head.
     
  13. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    when you post info on a thread, to a link to tell someone who has in all probabilty how to do something that is potentially dangerous, that IMO is negligent and irresponsible. you are not the type of person who needs to give anyone advice with your attitude towards the fact that you didn't do it, so it's not your problem if something bad happens.

    as for the rifle in question, you never touched one, but you are free to jump in and tell someone on your last post to go ahead and adjust a trigger, because it's not hard. you don't seem to even know if the trigger is adjustable on the rifle for the end user! well that speaks volumes as to your knowledge of firearms.

    please tell me you don't work on guns for a living, because if you do, you really need to seek a different career field, because you would be a piss poor example of a gunsmith with your incompentent attitude.
     
  14. jekyllandhide

    jekyllandhide New Member

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    If tell someone to do simething and it wasnt safe its you that has to live with it like telling someone makeing tnt is easy then they blow themself or sinebody else up you would know you where the reson it speaks to moral values you should care abiut others safty if you know them or not.
     
  15. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    see Gunnut07, even the OP has enough sense not to exceed his abilities and listen to foolish advice from people like you. :eek:

    Jekyll, you just earned a healthy dose of respect from me for your last post! i am very pleased to see you have some common sense and are willing to listen to good advice when it comes to gun safety. :D
     
  16. gunnut07

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    Lets think this through for a minute and without insults from your end. You know nothing about my ability or what I do. The OP asked if you can adjust triggers. Most rifles have triggers that are user adjustable. I don't have access to a quality gunsmith in my area so I do what I can do. To me turning 2 hex screws and putting the gun in a stock and dropping the butt on the floor from 1 or 2' is not rocket science. This is the way you adjust the old Remington killer triggers. If you take your time read the directions, have a reading and comprehension level greater than a 4th grader you will be ok. READ the DIRECTIONS.

    I don't own an Axis because I am way beyond shooting a low budget entry level rifle. They are not bad guns, they are just not what I would own. He didn't state what rifle he had until post #6. I gave him general information that is ready available on the internet in many different places. Knowing how to work on your own gun is vital to me. So Yes I tear mine down to clean beyond a general field strip. I stop short of total tear down on my rifle cause I don't have a barrel vice nor do I want take apart my $200 trigger's. I do know how to install and adjust every single one of my triggers. As an adult you should be able to read something and determine if you can or cannot perform the task.

    You are in an uproar because I posted a link that has been there for years.

    If you want to get technical I never posted anything about messing with a Savage Axis trigger. Plus the new accutrigger and the Remington X-mark Pro are both adjustable and come with a tool to adjust them from the factory. So you are telling me that by stating that I should feel guilty if someone makes their trigger too light?

    I could have told the guy that by simply cutting 1 coil off the rear spring in the savage axis trigger it would lighten up the weight. I didn't and I would not advise cutting a spring in a trigger. The trigger is designed and made to function with a spring of a specific length and weight. That would be dangerous. Simple turning some screws and doing a drop test is not. People have been adjusting triggers since adjustable triggers came out.

    By your thinking, we shouldn't help people who never built an AR-15 to build their first one. We shouldn't help someone get started in reloading both because they are dangerous and can kill you. Everything about a gun is dangerous. You do realize that when you pull a trigger you are setting on an explosion that can rip steal apart only 6" or less from your melon right?
     
  17. jekyllandhide

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    I said what it was befor in my first post i said it wasnt factory adjustable and no one is insulting you just asking to becareful what you link somebody to i dont want any hard feelings im new to this forum and have learned alot in a couple of days i just understand where axxe is comeing from i did not mesn any disrespect im sure you know you guns well as i know mine my ? Was just to see the level of difficulty i will leave it to a gunsmith if i do get an axis but im thinking thr tc venture might be bettet whit its adjustable trigger
     
  18. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    from what i gather from your posts, there is no way i would ever allow you to touch one of my firearms! i also advised the OP to seek a qualified and compentent gunsmith to do it for him as his original question was about doing a trigger job which is way more involved than doing an adjustment on an adjustable trigger. i also advised him that if it was adjustable, to follow the directions, to the letter and if he wasn't up to the task to get a gunsmith to do it for him. and from what i gather the OP is a novice when it comes to guns and therefor needs information and instruction from someone qualified to do so. the internet is rich with erroneous information. there are too many people who have websites that post information that is dangerous and incorrect. you must be one of those people who thinks that just because it's posted on the internet it must be true? well i learned much about firearms from my father and from a qualified gunsmith who happens to be a close friend. a person should never exceed their abilities when it come to firearms without the proper training and instruction. most novices who come on here, don't know whats right or wrong and are looking to learn and if they tended to just go about doing whatever is posted on the internet, they have no way to discern between correct or incorrect procedures. i have enough skill and abilities to recognize what's correct or what's not. most of the new members who are new to guns or novices can't make that distinction yet. if you are capable of doing your own repairs and adjustments, fine, more power to you, but don't go about telling a novice to do it when his skill levels are not clearly there yet. that is irresponsible and negligent IMO. and if you expected me to retract my statements or apoligise for them, well you would clearly be very wrong as i stand by my statements and i will always err on the side of caution when it comes to gun safety.and if my statements offended you, well tough, because i pretty much speak my mind and call things the way i see them.
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2012
  19. jekyllandhide

    jekyllandhide New Member

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    Im not a novice i have had a gun since i was 7 and now im 26 got a few years of experince just not in gunsmithing i want the ablity but i eant it the right way
     
  20. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    Jekyll, owning and shooting guns is much different than working on them.. i am almost 50 and have been shooting and owning guns for well over forty years. only in the last 15-20 years have i reached the level to properly work on my firearms and i learned from books, from my father and from a close friend who is a gunsmith. i also have a strong mechanical background, having been around automotive repair shops, machine shops and gunshops all my life. i grew up in that environment from a very early age and have made my living for most of my adult life repairing and rebuilding many different types of equipment and machinery.

    i encourage people to learn about their firearms. and i will encourage you also. but get your information and instruction from knoledgeable sources. take it slowly and if not sure about something, find someone who does. there are volumes of books written by people who are experts on guns and share that knowledge with their readers. buy these books and learn. and iam not being mean by this statement, just truthful, you may not be a novice or new to guns, but you are right now a novice when it comes to doing work on them. that's not a bad thing at all, it just means you need instruction before venturing further yet, and that's what this forum is for.