Accurate pistol

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by NGIB, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. NGIB

    NGIB New Member

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    I see this term all the time in posts - "I want an accurate pistol". Seriously, I'd wager a buck or two that just about any pistol is more mechanically accurate than the average shooter. Folks will find they shoot some platforms better than others but if you shoot a particular gun poorly, it's probably not the gun. Are there shooters that can challenge the mechanical accuracy of a gun - sure there are but for most shooters it's a moot point. The question you need to consider is what gun do YOU shoot well?

    One of the main reasons I haven't plunked down the $$$ to buy a real custom 1911 is that I can't even come close to the skill necessary to "outshoot" what I have now. One of the positives of having one of the accuracy guaranteed guns is if you shoot it poorly - it's guaranteed to be your fault...:D
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I agree. I have seen some people at the range who have not mastered the shooting technique, but are looking for the "most accurate handgun" (and waste a bunch of ammo in the process).

    What should be looked at is "What is the acceptable grouping I can expect?"
    And that is (for the most part) how well the shooter can shoot.

    Just because someone has a fast car or motorcycle, does that mean the driver knows how to drive? No. Shooting, like driving, is a skill. And if you don't follow the basics, you will never advance to a higher degree of efficiency.
     

  3. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Both good posts. I would just add consider your expectations from your choice of handgun. Learning the right way to shoot is most of it, but don't expect miracles at the range from the snubbie little gut buster you bought for concealed carry.
     
  4. NGIB

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    So very true. I love to read about the folks that are mad because they couldn't shoot a 1" group at 25 yards with their snubby. Hell, I couldn't shoot a 1" group at 25 yards with one of JD's Nighthawks. Are the guns themselves capable, they probably are, I know my limitations though...
     
  5. Lindenwood

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    I am probably an exception, but I bought an accurate revolver because few autos were capable of the long-range accuracy I wanted. Not that I wanted to be able to decide "which eye" as I draw to fire at 25 yards, but I do enjoy precision pistol shooting. Even off-hand, where I could normally only do about 5" at 25 yards as a good average with my old combat auto (or about 3"-4" resting my arms on a stable surface), with the revolver I've been able to do half that, even consistently hitting 5.5" targets at 75 yards, offhand. One time I even mounted a bipod and rifle scope on the pistol and shot it from sandbags, and still did a best of about 2.5" at 25 yards. So, I did notice and appreciate the difference when going to the revolver, even if I probably couldn't consistently "outshoot" the either handgun if it came down to a competition. .

    But yeah, lots of people do put too much stock in equipment when it is the shooter, or the "nut behind the wheel" as they say in the car world, that is the limiting factor. Though, as I mentioned above, a pretty good shooter will do better with a more accurate firearm than a less accurate one. But, especially shooting off-hand, most people indeed couldn't tell and shouldn't worry about the difference between 20" average groups with their Glock, and 15" groups with a tuned 1911 :p .
     
  6. Gojubrian

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    If you don't think your gun is accurate then put it in a ransom rest and shoot it. You'll besurprised at how accurate the gun is and how inaccurate YOU are. :D

    Accuracy= Training+Trigger time

    If I can hit a man size torso from 7-10yards, I'm happy.
     
  7. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I agree with the OP 100%
     
  8. IGETEVEN

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    Indeed Dave, very good points. It's the person behind the tool that manipulates it, not the other way around.

    Always strive to be your very best with what you have now, and the very best you will always be, no matter your choice of firearm.
     
  9. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    When talking about an "accurate" hand gun, a day of shooting with a friend about 10 years ago comes to mind. At the time I still had my old S&W 411. It was the first handgun I bought. We were plinking at targets from about 15-20 yards. Me with my 411, him with his Les Baer Custom.

    My shots were all over the paper. I assumed it was me. Then he hands me his Les Baer and says try this. I was astounded. All over the paper went to nice tight group.

    Maybe it's not a fair comparison. The 411 was the least expensive S&W semi I found at the time I bought it. And Les Baer... well c'mon, it's Les Baer.

    At least when you're talking about the opposite ends of the curve, the gun makes a whole lot of difference.
     
  10. NGIB

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    I'd bet that if you had shot the 411 from a Ransom rest it would have been nearly as accurate as the Les Baer. In many ways a 1911 is a trap in that it's really easy to shoot one very well. The straight back trigger pull and natural pointability will mask many flaws in shooter technique. I'll never forget the first 1911 I shot, it was a basic GI model with the tiny sights and I thought I was ready to compete on a national pistol team. I was getting groups like never before and shooting it well was just so easy. What I've learned through the years is that if I focus on the fundamentals I can shoot nearly any gun nearly as well as I shoot 1911s...
     
  11. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    But a Ransom rest isn't "real-world". The trigger and hold of the gun would have just as much to do with accuracy in my book as the barrel not wobbling or designed to lesser standards. To me, accuracy is a measure of the whole package. If Les Baer's trigger makes one more likely to hit the target compared to the long crunchy trigger of a 411, then the Les Baer is more accurate.

    Maybe semantics, but it works.
     
  12. NGIB

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    The Sigma is notorious for having a terrible trigger yet I bet long time Sigma owners (Robo & Shihan come to mind) can shoot one very well. My point is the guns themselves are not mechanically inaccurate - they may just be harder to shoot well. I agree that you should shoot what you shoot best - just don't necessarily blame the gun if it doesn't group like you think it should...
     
  13. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    But it's so much easier that way.
     
  14. CA357

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    I don't think I've ever had an inaccurate handgun. Even the two RIA 1911's I had that were lemons as far as function, shot accurately enough.

    I've shot some better than others, but all were capable of acceptable accuracy.
     
  15. Mr. Bluesky

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    The OP is right, however there are a lot of mechanical features on any given gun that can make it easier or harder for the shooter to get close to the mechanical accuracy. The trigger is the most obvious factor - My Ruger MkIII was a tack driver out of the box, but when I picked up an aftermarket trigger and sear, it made a significant difference.
     
  16. Gojubrian

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    Inaccurate guns, Taurus PT111 and Kel tec P-11. I couldn't hit the ground if I shot straight down with those POS'S!!!! :D
     
  17. therewolf

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    "accurate handgun"???

    Have you been talking this over with someone in

    "Military Intelligence"? :D

    IMO, while many shooters make commendable

    target groups with pistols, power and accuracy are NOT

    pistol strong points, in general.

    While I have decent groupings with my 92FS, I doubt it could be

    deemed worthy of being called accurate, at any distance.

    If pistols had power and accuracy, who would need rifles?
     
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