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I came across this article this evening - http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/midwest/view.bg?articleid=1061144335&position=recent. Something about this reporting has set off my BS meter. A few "facts" I have issue with,

A woman was fatally shot Sunday when she hugged an off-duty police officer
the woman "embraced the officer from behind, causing the holstered weapon to accidently discharge."
I am under the impression that all Police Officers are issued firearms from their departments? So what type of firearm would they be issuing if it could "accidentally" be fired without deliberately putting your finger on the trigger?

The bullet punctured Miller’s lung and hit her heart
So she embraced the officer from behind, resulting in a discharge and the bullet traveled upwards, not down towards the ground? Is there a holster out there that carries a firearm in such a fashion?

I'm just having trouble beleiving that a holstered weapon could actually discharge and that in the events as described for the path of the bullet is reminicsent of JFK's magic bullet in my opion.

Thought, info, flaming? :confused:
 

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Dog, there isn't really much more detail in the article, than what you said about it. i am seeing the same thing as you and have the same questions. something seems real funny about how does a holstered pistol fire upwards. maybe he had it in a shoulder holster? when she hugged him from behind she hit the trigger?
 

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I'm sure it was an accident does not seem like foul play to me and depending on how tall she was compared to the officer it could have traveled almost straight and off duty I figure he was wearing a shoulder holster under his jacket I wear one myself sometimes on my right side and hanging it sits slightly pointed up not straight down so I can see this happening though when i carry concealed i never keep one in the chamber also I do believe the weapons trigger must have been pulled but on accident one way or another got hooked on a button or whatever even still this officer didn't need a weapon locked and loaded at 12:30 am at a dance party he should lose his job at the very least.
 

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I'm sure it was an accident does not seem like foul play to me and depending on how tall she was compared to the officer it could have traveled almost straight and off duty I figure he was wearing a shoulder holster under his jacket I wear one myself sometimes on my right side and hanging it sits slightly pointed up not straight down so I can see this happening though when i carry concealed i never keep one in the chamber also I do believe the weapons trigger must have been pulled but on accident one way or another got hooked on a button or whatever even still this officer didn't need a weapon locked and loaded at 12:30 am at a dance party he should lose his job at the very least.
sorry there Gearhead, but without more details and facts you are jumping to conclusions and assuming he is somehow at fault. we have no reason to believe one or the other that he didn't have a good reason to be where he was. also i don't know of any LEO that doesn't carry locked and loaded, even when off duty.
 

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Obviously we don't have all the facts and unless someone here on FTF was at the party it is unlikely we will ever have all the facts. But does anybody know what pistol the Detroit PD issues for their officers? and what about the top 3-5 holsters for that particular pistol? I would think based on those 2 pieces of information we would be able to make a much more educated guess than as it stands now. I'd rather not call for the Officers firing just yet, sometimes accidents do happen, but this story leaves me with too many questions as of now.

I'm just not seeing how the trigger could have been "accidentally" pulled. In either of my holsters, hip and drop leg, no way could the trigger be pulled accidentally.

(so when you all see me posting up about my pistol going off on it's own at a beerfest and bbq ... you all know I'll be full of chit :D )
 

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The Boston Herald picks up a story from a Detroit picnic??? Umm, yeah, nothing happened in Boston that day :confused:

Without having ALL pertinent info on the story, what's the point of printing it...oh yeah, it's the Boston Herald...:mad:

Complete and total flame attempt from a rabid anti-rights state's media outlet...:mad:

They're just playing the 'gun card'...
 

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The Boston Herald picks up a story from a Detroit picnic??? Umm, yeah, nothing happened in Boston that day :confused:
Maybe :eek: ..... we don't have all the facts yet :p
 

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I just don't see how the gun went off inside a holster. If it did I bet it was a glock. I would never wear a horizontal holster. I don't like the idea of the muzzle pointing anywhere but down.
 

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Gotta agree with rdj on the glock theory maybe not glock specifically but something with the same design like a like a s&w mp 40
 

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See what happens, If we would all just turn in our guns, then the police wouldn't need any either... crime would be nearly non-existent and things like this would never happen...Just like Great Britain.:rolleyes:

Looks like an anti gun write up to me. Does anyone, anywhere know of a Duty holster that doesn't cover the trigger?
 

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first of all, there are really next to no real details about the shooting and any speculation at this point is useless. we have no idea as to why he was at this party, what type of pistol was involved or the holster that carried it, and any other pertinent details that would give a more insightful picture as to how this shooting happened. personally i want to see what details and facts come out before forming any opinions as to what happened.
 

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That's what I'm trying to get at. Does anybody know what pistol the Detroit PD issues to their officers? What are the top 3-5 holsters for that pistol? Would an off duty officer carry concealed or open? Having answers to these questions would allow us to speculate with a little more intelligence.

As I said, this story set off my BS meter rather quickly :cool:
 

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Off duty. Ever hear of a shoulder hoster? Could fire straight back into the woman's chest. WTS, I cannot imagine such an incident. Guns simply do not go off on their own.

Many many agencies do not issue handguns, but allow officers to choose their own from an approved weapons list. He was OF DUTY. Few officers carry their duty weapon while off duty. They generally choose something more compact than a full sized duty gun.
 

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Off duty. Ever hear of a shoulder hoster? Could fire straight back into the woman's chest. WTS, I cannot imagine such an incident. Guns simply do not go off on their own.

Many many agencies do not issue handguns, but allow officers to choose their own from an approved weapons list. He was OF DUTY. Few officers carry their duty weapon while off duty. They generally choose something more compact than a full sized duty gun.
Ah ha :eek: thanks for the clarification big man :) I was under the impression that many of the larger metropolitan PD issued pistols to their officers.

So, anybody have a crystal ball and can tell us what firearm and holster this office did have? :D Maybe it was an accident :(
 

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Hmmmm.

Godbee said that the officer had been concealing his department-issued .40 caliber Smith and Wesson semiautomatic hand gun in a holster in his waistband when Miller placed her hands on his waist.

Godbee indicated that Miller had seemingly touched the gun in some way, causing it to fire. There is no safety switch on the weapon, he said.

"I don't think I'm giving anything away by saying this but for the sake of transparency, it is possible for the trigger to be manipulated with that type of holster," Godbee said. "Typically the barrel is facing down, but the preliminary investigation indicates that there was some manipulation along the officer's waistline that he did not control and subsequently the weapon discharged."
Inverted, small of the back holster possibly? Certainly appears to be a strange set of circumstances that lead to a tragic end.

Another reason I love my 1911's. You can NOT beat a manual, frame mounted safety - the way John Moses Browning intended it to be!

JD
 

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The plot thickens...Well, that just begs even more questions...

"The bullet traveled at an upward trajectory impacting the heart and lung" Well the IWB explains the trajectory as we all assumed it was a shoulder rig... but an IWB carrying muzzle up??? :confused:

For the life of me, I can't understand how the muzzle got faced north...to be sure he didn't carry it that way...is that even possible??? And if so, why???

No matter how you slice it, the officer DID NOT have control of his gun and might very well pay dearly for that.

It happened late at night, at a social gathering, it's not too much of a leap to assume alcohol played a role...somehow.

+1 to you Dog for following up on this...:cool:
 

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My money says....
Cop was having an affair, they were either hurriedly getting dressed or undressed, and the gun was discharged in the process... ;)
 
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