Accidental discharge possibility

Discussion in 'Semi-Auto Handguns' started by mikemc, May 16, 2013.

  1. mikemc

    mikemc New Member

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    OK, I just happened to see a video on YouTube where a guy had a discharge while chambering. It was some type of .32, I believe, and he'd been having troubles with FTFs so he was working on it in his shop. He racked a round and the gun discharged - no trigger involvement. During his follow up he explained that it appeared that the firing pin had gotten stuck in the energized position, made contact with the round and fired.

    Anyone ever heard of this happening (outside of this video example)? If so, are there certain semi-autos that would be more prone to this or is this really just an isolated case of an under-maintained firearm causing problems?
     
  2. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Sounds to me like he should've paid more attention and noticed the pin protruding before putting back together and chambering round.

    Is it possible, entirely. Is it avoidable, entirely!

    He caused the issue, not the gun. It was his backyard smithing that most likely attributed to this ND, not a malfunction of the gun. Though even if I were wrong, proper maintenance and cleaning and attention easily remedies the issue from existence.
     
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  3. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    This kind of thing actually happens quite often. It is VERY nearly always the result of poor or improper maintenance/modification.

    Any properly maintained modern firearm in good repair should serve safely and admirably, but this is also why you treat EVERY WEAPON AS IF IT IS LOADED. Always.
     
  4. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    Slam firing in some semi auto handguns can occur. This is often due to broken firing pins. Competitive combat shooters are familiar with this problem. High primers are more often the reason. In IPSC rules are in place to penalize shooters who allow their guns to "Slam" fire. :(
     
  5. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    I saw the video... It was a smith working a customers old Colt Clone .32 ACP... one of the Spanish knock offs I believe.

    Any semi auto can do this if not properly maintained... as mentioned above it is usually seen in "high round count" guns and really old guns.

    The problem the smith was trying to correct was "failure to feed"... and the gun discharged when a live round finally slammed into the chamber.

    A. On a gun that old he should have been using snap caps or at least pointing it into a sand or water barrel.

    B. He'd already dissasembled, cleaned, and reassembeled it so obviously it can be an easy problem to miss.

    Highlights one of the top safety rule about always keeping in pointed in a safe direction.

    Tack
     
  6. Gizord1

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    I have only had a couple ADs happen, and it was the guns fault. My SKS has slam fired about three times, before I fixed it, and I had my Marlin Glenfield model 10 go off while I was cocking it. The trigger was slightly out of place (I don't think the gun was ever taken apart), but thankfully it's fixed now and it has a lot "cleaner" trigger pull.
    Every time, the gun was pointed in a safe direction, so that goes to show how important safety is.
     
  7. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Why did he have live ammo in the area where he is working on a gun?

    Couldn't he wait a couple of days for the snap caps he should have ordered to come in?

    Because he was not more diligent on safety, I call that a negligent discharge.
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Sorry, NOT the gun's fault. May not have necessarily been YOUR fault, if they were used and new to you.
     
  9. ScottA

    ScottA FAA licensed bugsmasher Lifetime Supporter

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    As we say in aviation, every accident is normally caused by a string of seemingly independent and insignificant incidents that when put together result in a much larger problem.

    The phrase goes something like that. :eek:
     
  10. AR10

    AR10 New Member

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    There are intended discharges, and negligent discharges. No shades of grey. Just black and white.

    There are no accidental pregnancies either. Two people are either rubbing nasties, or they have their pants on. Plain and simple.

    Some discharges are unfortunate, but predictable and always avoidable.

    No such thing as an accident.
     
  11. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    My first impulse is to disagree, on account of weapon malfunction.

    Then I think about it... Having a weapon in poor condition is no different than being negligent.
     
  12. TekGreg

    TekGreg Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    This is why it's important to not fall for the friend handing you a firearm and saying something to the effect of, "The d@mn thing won't fire!" You try to help out and his negligence gets you in trouble. Always have a gunsmith solve malfunctions and breakage.
     
  13. bartwatkins

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    I took apart and inspected at a Jennings/Bryco .32 auto for a co-worker once.....

    The pistol was so poorly put together with such poor tolerances that the little trigger hook thingy in the frame that held back/cocked the firing pin in the slide would release each and every time that I cycled the slide (this was due to the vertical movement of the slide made possible by horribly loose fitting tolerances between the slide and frame rails).
    I determined by inspection that this pistol would slam fire each time a round was chambered.
    No discharge of this type (accidental/negligent or otherwise) ever happened to me because I took the time to disassemble and inspect it before ever attempting to load a mag and attempting to chamber a round - but it would have if any other unsuspecting, uncareful and trusting soul tried it.
    I also think that the co-worker mentioned that, years back, her son had tried to chamber a round and had experience a slam fire/ND.

    Was that a negligent discharge or fault of the gun? Argument could be made either way I guess.

    I told the co-worker about this and she said she did not want the pistol back. I destroyed it with a large hammer.
     
  14. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Bart, if one wants to get really, really, technical, it would be the fault of the gun. BUT, it only would happen with a negligent shooter...which is where I'll address Greg's post...

    I watched a fellow Marine get shot right in the *** this way.

    We had a douche Marine run into the battalion armorer in the phone center at camp Fallujah. Douche pulls his M9, and says "hey, need some help... Look, it won't drop the hammer with the magazine out (demonstrates), but when you put it back in (demonstrates) it works just fine..." BAM!!! Ricocheted off the wall and drilled another Marine right in the right cheek.

    That demonstrates exactly how a mag safety works...however, there was actually a problem with the gun. M9s don't have a mag safety. The BIGGER problem was with the idiot holding the gun. He had all weapons taken away, not even allowed a pocket knife, and was relegated to escorting the local clean up crew in cleaning the portajohns. It wasn't his first screw up, not by a long shot.
     
  15. Gizord1

    Gizord1 New Member

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    Well, according to politicians, the gun does everything, itself.
     
  16. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Please bro, they're more full of sh!t than I am...
     
  17. Gizord1

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    *sarcasm*
    I don't know, some banned trans fat, so you won't eat yourself to death. It may taste terrible, but at least I'm not dyin of heart failure!
     
  18. Tackleberry1

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    Many years ago I was pulling CQ... "Company Level Staff Duty"... when at approximately 11 pm... one of our privates approached the desk to report that his roommate had "accidentally" shot himself in the leg...:eek:

    Never mind that all privately owned weapons were "supposed" to be secured in the arms room... never mind that POW's were not allowed upstairs... never mind that "gimpy" as "we will call him" was under 21 and not old enough to "legally" own a hand gun...:rolleyes:

    He'd bought an old POS .32 ACP... "don't recall the brand"... from a buddy.

    Took it to his room... inserted mag... sat down... "with muzzle pointing down at the inside of his left thigh... racked the slide... BOOM, BOOM, BOOM!

    Yep... that's right... 3 ND's! :eek:

    1 into his leg... and 2 into the CMU wall... "fortunately fully grouted"...

    The gun failed to feed the 4th round.

    Army CID later told us the firing pin had been fixed... "rack slide full auto"... woo hoo.

    Tack

     
  19. bartwatkins

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    Wow.....
    I also thought from inspecting the pistol in my story that there was a pretty fair chance that (had a round been chambered with a full magazine) the pistol could go into uncontrolled automatic fire. That's wild. Did all three ND's hit the guy (in other words did he shoot himself 3 times)?
     
  20. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Did you notice?

    Every discharge that has been related here has the same two things.

    An individual who was not diligent about safety.
    Live ammunition.

    Combine those and there is no "accident", only "negligence".