Acceptable Accuracy in a hunting rifle.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by cpttango30, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    What is acceptable accuracy FOR YOU for a basic hunting rifle?

    I have been thinking of getting a new Deer rifle as the one I have now Really hurts to shoot. When I mean hurts I mean 30-06 with a steel but plate and my shoulder goes numb after about 5 shots on the bench (Sighting in) and it stays numb for about 3 days if it is not hurting.

    My current Deer rifle is about oh 69 years old. It is the Remington Model 30 Express basied on the 1917 action. It is a great action being big and UGLY is an understatement. The stock is not the best design in the world and that steel but plate is to say the least angry.

    Now the accuracy of this rifle runs .75 to 1" at 100 yards for 5 shot groups. To me that is what I look for in a hunting rifle for big game. I should say Factory hunting rifle. My varmint guns are a whole different story. Is this level of accuracy I can expect from todays hunting rifles? Look the newest rifle in my safe is my 6 year old 700......
     
  2. masterPsmith

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    Acceptable accuracy for me for an out of the box new rifle for big game would be no larger 1 1/2" @ 100 yards with factory ammo. With todays quality of workmanship (or lack thereof) from most manufactures, this would be the norm. With a little work, most of todays rifles will shoot MOA.

    Jim............
     

  3. JonM

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    why dont you get one of those limb saver pads or pachmyar pads for the weapon and cover up taht steel butt plate?? i use my .458 winmag loaded to .45-70 levels for deer hunting, hog hunting, and just general shooting fun. i have a pachmyar pad on the butt and it feels like shooting a typical 30-06. it sounds like you like your rifle except for the felt recoil. rubber butt pads that absord recoil can be slip on or permanant attachments. they run around 30-45$.
     
  4. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    I have one on my WIn mod 12 and it makes the LOP too long to shoot correctly Tried it already.

    I am Looking at replacing the stock on this one with a richards microfit and fitting a pacymyer decellerator to it. But I can always just get a new rifle that is less work.... Maybe.
     
  5. TXnorton

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    If you really like the Model 30, have the stock cut-down to accept the recoil pad and maintain the same LOP. I had to have a pad installed on my M-700 in order to get the longer LOP (I am 6'-3" tall with long torso and arms). I did this 20+ years ago, and can shoot 50-60 rounds of .30-06 at the range with only minimal soreness afterwards.
     
  6. matt g

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    Acceptable accuracy for me is 3 or 4 inches at 50 yards. I've never taken a shot at greater than 25 yards and the kill zone of large game is pretty big.

    When you've been out humping up and down hills all days long you can be pretty burnt physically. After spotting an animal, taking the time to move downwind of it and begin stalking in gets you pretty pumped up mentally. When you combine the adrenalin of the stalk and the physical drain of the walk through the mountainous terrain, you can be pretty shaky when it comes time to take the shot. When you're within 50 or 75 feet of a nice animal, the shot needs to come quick, you don't have the time to breathe and relax.

    Without that minute or 2 of meditative time to relax and line up a shot and without the time to prone out or brace against something, you're not going to lay in a gnat's ass shot, so gnat's ass accuracy is a moot point.
     
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  7. mrm14

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    I'd say put that new stock on it and a 1" decel pad. The better ergonomocs of the newer design stock and decel pad will tame the recoil down nice with this rifle. Also, taking it a little further, a muzzle break will do wonders as well if you can stand the extra noise. Muzzel breaks can be quite loud.

    My Remington 700 SPS in .300 Win Mag. I bought last year to have made into a target rifle, when I was shooting it before I sent it off to have it built, would shoot about .75 moa to a tad tighter when using a bench rest. I had an older model 70 Winchester in 30-06 that would shoot about the same moa in a bench rest. These accuracy levels were with factory ammo.

    I myself think the 30-06 is a great round for hunting even though I dont have a rifle in this caliber at this time. (sold my model 70 to my brother a couple of years ago)

    What Matt G says above is pretty right on as well.
     
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  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    MRM14 you haven't seen any of my posts about muzzle breaks have you?

    I would never put a break on a rifle of mine. Ifn ya can't handle the recoil then you shouldn't be shooting it in the first place.
     
  9. mrm14

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    Nope. I havn't seen or dont remember (CRS) your posts about muzzel breaks. I have never used one until this target rifle I'm in the process of having built. The muzzel break on this barrel can be threaded on and off as well. Most these 1000 yard guys here use them. These are not hunting rifles per say, however, some of these guys long range hunt with them.

    Regardless, I just threw the muzzel break thing out there as it does reduce felt recoil considerably. To be honest I wouldnt throw one on a hunting rifle either.
     
  10. Dillinger

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    1.5 Minute of Angle out to about 200 or 250 yards is perfect for a hunting rifle, my opinion, in this part of the world.

    What's the kill zone on a deer? What? About an 8 or 10 inch area?

    A light rifle that doesn't punish you and isn't like weight lifting to stalk with, that can still hold a 4 to 6 inch spread at 200yards is PLENTY of rifle around here.

    A stock stick with a trigger job and a glass bed would easily get you in those numbers with factory ammo. Some of the factory guns coming out will hold that without touching up anything, but we both know you aren't going to leave it stone stock. :D

    JD
     
  11. CA357

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    I hate to say it but in looking at rifles Remington **GULP** was the last one I looked at.

    I can get a Tikka, or Browning for the same price as a Remmy I am going with one of the other ones really.

    Then again I thought about buying a savage action putting a 260 rem barrel on it and putting that into a B&C stock then top it with a Nikon Monarch Gold 30mm 2.5-10x50mm.
     
  13. Gatekeeper

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    Tango I was in the same situation as you when I bought my 35whelen. It had the rem. hard plastic buttplate and would get sore as hell shooting 250gr hunting loads from the bench. I was going to put an aftermarket pad on but the LOP was perfect as is and I didn't want to cut the stock.
    I remembered I had a simms slip-on pad on my turkey gun. I slipped it on and now there's hardly any felt recoil from the bench. When its time to go hunting I slip the pad off. Not really going to feel the recoil when shooting at game anyway.
    I used the same pad on my dads m700 30-06 with the hard plastic plate the other day, Felt recoil comparable to a 7-08. Could shoot it or my whelen in a t-shirt all day long with no shoulder tenderness with the slip-on pad.
    Not trying to talk you out of a new gun...we all need more of those:D
    Maybe just a $20 solution to your problem, sounds like a fine rifle ya got!----Gate
     
  14. ItsmeShane

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    I am using a gun right now with a muzzle break on it and it makes it unbearably loud. My ears ring for 3 days.
     
  15. Yunus

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    Considered a Weatherby Vanguard/Howa? I can't say enough good about mine, although I don't think they come in .260 rem stock.
     
  16. The_Kid

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    I go with sub-moa at 100 yards.
     
  17. Wambli

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    Acceptable accuray depends on what the hunter wants for himself. Some folks are Ok with putting a shot somewhere in the boiler room. Nothing wrong with that.

    I expect to take the top of the heart out with my shots. I need sub MOA on my hunyting guns or they go to a new home. I spend way too much time working on my shooting to wonder where the shots are going.

    BUT I do own some lever actions that I use for brush hunting that I'm Ok if they do less than that because my shots with those are short.
     
  18. Zacsquatch

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    Enough to hit the upper neck of a 75 pound inbred/underfed south carolina whitetail at 100 yards.
     
  19. The_Kid

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    Just to clarify my position. This post was about rifles, but I use a pistol for deer hunting and get 1.58moa at 100 yards with it. If I put a scope on it I might get better.
     
  20. Wambli

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    I was talking rifles too. 1.5 MOA with a handgun at 100 yards is darn respectable shooting.