About to buy my first rifle, need input

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Knat, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. Knat

    Knat New Member

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    I'm pretty new to gun ownership, about 2 months ago I got a subcompact Glock for carry. I have plans to get another handgun, and a shotgun for home defense. However with the election on the horizon and the very real possibility that a large amount of rifles will be banned, im looking at getting an assault rifle(i know there is dispute on the term but i don't know what else to call it)

    My main purpose for it is defense. A shotgun and handguns will protect me and my home just fine. But if the crap hits the fan and the US government fails, or we get invaded, or there is a huge national disaster. I want to know that I can go out to my cabin and have a reasonable chance of protecting myself. I am thinking that an AR-15 would probably be my best bet, but I'm not sure which one to get. My main concerns are durability, reliability and longevity.

    Another question I have, is if the Dems do pass a new ban will that mean that I wont be able to get an assault rifle, or just that the prices will go up?

    I live in Nevada by the way.
     
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  2. junho806

    junho806 New Member

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    check out the one i built in my signature for ~$700USD
    sure you could always buy one for $1000-$1500
    but building it is cheaper and more fun
    :D
    and there's plenty of threads on this forum that can help you out if you do decide to build one or buy one
     

  3. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    knat - Well, I am one of the larger proponents of the AR platform. Personally I would like to see a well built AR in every good home in America. :D

    Okay first things first. IF the Dems get total control ( House, Senate & White House ) it is assumed that they will be coming for our guns. They did it during the Klinton Reign and there is nothing to think that they won't try it again.

    IF a new Assault Weapons Ban is implemented I believe that it will not be retroactive, it would just be too friggin hard to enforce, so pre dated models will still exist, just like last time. Some of the Occupied Terror-Tories might have trouble ( NY, NJ, Kalifornia, DC, etc. ) but most of the country should be okay. If that happens you can bet prices will probably double do to supply and demand. Some unscrupulous types will probably milk the market, but on average, plan on paying twice what the prices are now, across the board, if suddenly there is legislation banning new weapons for civilians.

    Do I think it can happen? Yes, but not without a fight, so you will see the writing on the wall before it comes down.

    As for the current state of the state: If you get a lower receiver on the books now, past history has shown you will be allowed to keep that receiver and build yourself one of the evil Black Rifles at your leisure, regardless of who is in charge ( since you don't live in one of the previously forementioned Kommunist States ).

    Now, the AR isn't the end all beat all firearm, but it has several advantages. There are parts for it, and ammo, in every military armory, police station and sporting good store in the country ( more or less ), so should something truly catastrophic happen, you will be able to sustain it. Once you learn the system, it's easy to work on and easy to maintain. It's more accurate than Eastern Bloc models of a similiar nature.

    However, you can get an SKS for probably $200, or less in some areas. The ammo isn't as plentiful, and the weapon isn't as accurate, but it will run damn near forever since it's an op-rod platform and they are VERY easy to maintain, so much so that a child could do it with about an hour or two training. It would put meat on the table and it would keep the wolves from the door in a time of crisis. If budget is an issue, this is a very good alternative.....

    There are plenty of good folks on here who will gladly help you if you decide to shop for either platform. Best of luck moving forward!

    JD
     
  4. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    ARs are a problematic platform. I used multiple variations of them in the military and they were all prone to misfeeds and jamming. M14s are an excellent option though if you can afford one. Also, being that you're a Nevada resident, you might want to look into Class 3. You may be one of the last of the machine gun owners.
     
  5. stalkingbear

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    Dillinger-that's the FIRST thing I've EVER heard you say that I totally disagree with! I'm NOT a fan of ARs-even tho I used to use 1-perhaps because of it,who knows. But I'd rather have a mini 14 or other type than a ar anyday. Not saying they aren't excellent rifles-just that I won't own 1.




     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    The key is the "well built" part. I agree there are other less problematic rifle platforms out there, but I guage some of that against the lack of knowledge by the user. Also, should a SHTF scenario actually happen, having the best battle rifle in the world, that doesn't have spare parts, or ammo, available isn't going to do you much good for long.

    It's okay if you disagree though, that is what makes our country great s.bear! :p

    JD
     
  7. ScottG

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    You didn't say where in Nevada you are. In the Reno area you can check out sportsmans warehouse and Big 5. If you are in the Vegas area, check out Big 5, there are plenty of Russian rifles available. WalMart in a few locations still sells guns. Most sell ammo anyway.

    There is a gun show at Cashman center this weekend, Sat and Sun Oct 18,19. Go there if you're in Las Vegas. Because you say you're new to guns, I'm assuming you haven't been to any, or many gun shows before. Be prepared for things other than guns to be available. Many more things than guns, in fact, I don't believe they should be called gun shows anymore.....:p

    If you're in the North, it seems the gun shows are bigger there. The Big Reno Gun show is huge, the Big Las Vegas Gun show, not so big. At least you don't have to register handguns there.

    Don't forget to check out the CMP if you want a real piece of history and a battle tried weapon. The M1 and the M1 carbine are proven Commie, Nazzi, and Kamikase killers, they should work just as well to dispatch domestic bad guys....
     
  8. Ram Rod

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    I'll neither agree, nor disagree, but it goes down like this. If you can't get an AR-15, get an AK-47. Since the imports are drying up, the prices should be about the same. If you can't get an AK-47, get the SKS. Prefferably one that takes the Ak mags. Then buy 1000 rounds of ammo for whichever you choose. To heck with politics, and to heck with arguing the pros and cons of each platform. An AR-15 requires more care to keep it operational.
     
  9. Txhillbilly

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    Where do you come up with this evaluation? Now if you are a soldier in the field of battle,yes,an AK can take a lot more sand,mud,etc. and remain operational over an AR. But when does this senario come into play with a normal person that hunts or shoots on a regular basis? I have never dragged any of my weapons through the mud or dropped them into a sand pile too see how dirty I have to get them in order for them to fail and don't think anyone else on this forum has either. If you abuse you weapons then you are going to have problems with them,If you care for them then you won't.
    There is nothing to compare when it comes to the personal use of a weapon and one that is in the use of a soldier at war.
     
  10. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I kept mine spotless and only oiled as absolutely necessary. It double fed and jammed quite frequently.
     
  11. Txhillbilly

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    Feeding problem is usually a magazine problem ( bent lips ). Ejection problems could be gas block alignment,gas tube dirty.
     
  12. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    I've never had either problem in a rifle as much as I had it with M16A1s, M16A2s, M16A4s or M4s. The brand new M4s and A4s did it with brand new magazines even.
     
  13. FALPhil

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    Regardless of the platform, Knat, you would be well served to procure a first rifle in a current military chambering. That means either 223 Rem/5.56x45 or 308 Win/7.62x51. The reason being is there are more rounds of those two chamberings than any other, 5.56 being the most common. If you have to scrounge, you should be scrounging for something that is readily available. My vote, however is for 308 Win, because it is a much more versatile cartridge for a broader range of tasks.

    After you get that taken care of, get something in a chambering that is along the lines of the shooting style that you enjoy most.
     
  14. KellyTTE

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    Purpose drive the gear, not the other way around.

    It depends on what he wants to do with it. Simple fact: If you want to get good, practice. Practice means trigger time, both dryfire and bangtime. 5.56 is a better selection form this standpoint because its an easier platform to learn initially and the ammo cost, especially with some of the import ammo thats out there, allows for more trigger time.

    I have several M1A/M14s platforms and I love them, but my ARs get more workout time simply because their cheaper to shoot and reload for.
     
  15. Laufer

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    If an SKS plus ammo were bought and then a bit more money becomes available, how about also finding a good used Mini 14,
    in order to have access to both very common ammo types?
    Otherwise, buying two SKS (or SKS and AK) and lots of ammo might be a very rewarding investment.

    The only problem I've seen last spring is the increase in prices for cheap Wolf .223, but not with basic Wolf 7.62 x39, fmj or jhp.

    Used Mini 14 (designed for .223 and 5.56) and 30:), MN 44 (longer range, very low-cost rifle:) and ammo, rather powerful) and SKS :).
    An SKS with one jhp round can stop a large feral pig, and a $120 MN 44 plus a scope can kill a black bear with two well-placed shots.
    The photos were posted.
     
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  16. FALPhil

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    Nope. That only works when you have a deuce and half to drive all your gear around, if you have no idea what the purpose will be. If you can only have one in a current military cartridge, the 308 is the one to have for maximum versatility.

    I have one vehicle. It gets me to and from work. It hauls building materials. It gets me to my relatives' house three states away. It gets me in and out of the woods when I hunt. I don't need four vehicles; I need one that perform all four purposes. The 308 is the Chevy 4x4 half-ton truck of the rifle world. It might not be the optimum for any one task, but it does all tasks reasonably well.

    Plus, if you learn to shoot a 308 well, shooting 223 comes easy.

    Don't get me wrong, I like my 223s. And for some things, they are better than a 308. But, for an general purpose, all-around rifle, the 308 is superior to the 223, hands down.

    Plus, if he plans to hunt with it, 223 is not even legal for big game in some states.
     
  17. cpttango30

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    One thing everyone is forgetting is the OP is BRAND NEW to owning firearms. I would say get an AR in 223 to learn on if you have to have one. I would say get yourself a Ruger 10/22 really for a first long gun. How big is the OP how much recoil can he handle without building a good flinch. the 308 is a great cartridge as is the 223 but both carry more recoil than the 22lr. Think You can get an AR in 223 buy the conversion kit for 22lr and then later on you can get an upper in 308 win or in many other different calibers.

    The OP said nothing about hunting with it or anything like that. But you can get the AR in many different flavors even 243 win which is a very good deer hunting /varmint round. So you can have the best cartridge in the world but if the OP can't shoot it because it causes him pain it is not the most usefull cartridge out there is it?
     
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  18. FALPhil

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    I didn't read that. I read he was new to gun ownership. But you may be correct.

    Excellent point about the .22 RF, although a 10/22 would not be my recommendation. If one has absolutely no skills at rifle shooting, a .22 is a great way to acquire basic skills.

    I must have had my survival hat on when I responded to his post. These days, with the economy and the political situation, that's what I have been thinking.

    But, my daughters shoot my 308 Win FALs quite a bit. One is 5'7" @ 125 lbs; the other is 5'11" @ 143 lbs. Neither of them have a problem, although they are pretty much satisfied with 50-60 rounds per session.
     
  19. cpttango30

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    How long have they been shooting? Did you start them out on an FAL?

    Recoil is the biggest issue shooting. I can and will shoot anything once ok 5 times. But that is me. Recoil doesn't bother me I can go out and shoot my shotgun with slugs off teh bench for an hour or two and just be tore up but I will not flench. I have had days where I was black and blue for a week. It hurt yes but it was so much fun.

    I have never shot an FAL so I don't know the recoil. I have a 17# bench gun in 308 and 50 to 75 rounds is all I will shoot in one day. Because it recoils enough to cause shooter fatigue.
     
  20. bgeddes

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    I think 7.63x39 should be the third caliber on that list. Lots of it around.