About feeling safer

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Vincine, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    I never felt in danger because of terrorists, but then I live in the middle of the forest.

    I feel apprehensive for the safety of myself and the country because of incompetence and flawed procedures of various agencies. I’m speaking about things like:
    Bridges falling down due to missed inspections or missed maintenance.
    Kids whose lives are lost because of case workers and social agencies running on auto-pilot.
    Space shuttle disasters because administrators’ concern for money trumped engineers understanding of physics.
    Incompetent teachers who remain in their jobs because the rules preventing their being fired have themselves become evil.

    I saw video over the weekend showing some of the 9/11 hijackers WERE flagged by the metal detectors, received closer inspection by wand, and where passed through ANYWAY.

    Basically I fear the consequences from a lack of diligence more than evil intent. I fear people who are too tired to think or are so rundown, that they just follow rules & procedures like robots instead of keeping mind what the procedures were designed to insure or prevent in the first place.

    Then I see something like this and I have faith that whatever bureaucratic and personnel incompetence there may be, when the SHTF, generally we manage to do the right thing, and do it well.

    Moving documentary of 9/11 evacuation by boat shows resilience of cities | SmartPlanet
     
  2. Gh0zt36

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    I know this will get me in hot water here concidering there are many Leo's and other Establishment employees but . after reviewing numerous documentaries about the official flight path of the flight that hit the pentago being debunked by no less than 8-15 people who all gave the same account of the real flight path being 45degrees to the north complete with a guy that saw a jetliner at 100ft going over the pentagon and continue in a northeasterly heading .... not to mention a guy a few floors below where one of the planes hit in wtc 1 being blown to the ceiling indicating an explosion beneath him again a few moments before the plane even hit above him. 45 degree straight cuts in structural steel at the base of wtc 1 and 2 , UNEXPLODED NANO THERMITE confirmed in the dust of wtc 1&2. pool of molten steel that burned at 2500 degrees in the basements on wtc 1&2 for 3 months.

    I honestly think the perpetrators of 9/11 are NOT who our government say they are , furthermore sad to say I think those who would give you the "official" story of what happened that day might be the very same who at best aided and abbeded those events and at worst co-ordinated and implimented those events
     

  3. trip286

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    If anyone hates you for saying that, then they can just hate us together brother. I've been telling friends and family the same for years, but let this be the first time I go public, I'm picking up what your laying down, and I agree 100%. I've seen controlled demos, and wow, that was just really too perfect. One thing that really stuck out in my mind too was how quickly and easily the "lead hijacker" was identified with his passport laying in the rubble. A scared populace is easier to rule.
     
  4. fmj

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    Say it isnt so?!!? a person that actually THINKS for themselves nstead of simply accepting what they are fed. I have read too many things that attest to where your heading here. But OHHH boy do you get attcked when you try to point the inconsitancies. The tops of the towers SHOULD have toppled...but instead it was a controled demo....there also been other stories surface that never get any traction because people WANT to believe their govt is all good and holy

    I also think Usama is hanging on the beach in south Fla alive and well (or some such other place)...2 things stick out to me. 1) we never saw any proof of him dead like all the others and 2)awful funny the team that "Got Osama" were killed but a few weeks later.

    Dead men tell no tales!
     
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  5. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    ??? You guys missed the entire point of my post.
     
  6. fmj

    fmj New Member

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    No sir, i dont believe we did. We are simply pointing out the huge failings of our govt.

    "I love my country but FEAR my government"
     
  7. Gordo323

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    I got it Vincine, and a great post by the way!
    Conspiracy theories aside, there are still a bunch of good folks in America!
    I am proud to consider myself as one and still believe in our future and the future of the greatest country in the history of mankind.
     
  8. bkt

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    I've got three questions for you.

    1. Where are the passengers of the jet that didn't impact the Pentagon?

    2. Why did AQ operatives have copious detailed notes concerning the planning, funding and execution of this operation and why did other AQ operatives (including bin Laden) boast of this operation if they had nothing to do with it?

    3. In light of all the copious amounts of complete b.s. we see daily from the government that is demonstrably, provably true - per their own words and actions - that should land just about every one of them in prison for the rest of their miserable lives, why do you go looking for conspiracies with which to try these a$$clowns in the court of public opinion?

    Oh, and you might want to do some personal experimentation with making thermite. It's easy. Stupid easy. Once you see how easy it is, you might rethink how suspicious it was that any trace of it was found in the wreckage.

    Right now, we have whistleblowers coming forward on operation Fast & Furious. We have pretty clear obfuscation by the DoJ and the ATF, and Issa and Grassley are very tenacious. When we see something similar for a WTC/Pentagon cover-up, then we'll talk. Until then, Alex Jones and other truthers can blither all they want, but they won't get any traction.
     
  9. Yunus

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    I don't hate you both for saying that. I just think your ignorant for saying that.

    I mean ignorant as uninformed and not as a term used as a direct insult.
     
  10. freefall

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    Ignorant is not an insult. Stupid is an insult. For ignorance we have education. For stupid we have television.
     
  11. IGETEVEN

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    Seriously? I don't think that the expression on Bush's face is the look of smug satisfied acknowledgement that the "Government's terrorist conspiracy mission has been accomplished." :rolleyes:

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  12. Gh0zt36

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    1: Well *IF* the government was evil enough to kill 3000 people for a false flag , you think theyd give a **** about a plane load of people?

    2: whos to say intel didnt pick up their plan and run with the other teams ball? PT 2 Better to look out of control than incompetent.

    3: Three words : Gulf of tonkin.


    And Iron oxide Rust and Aluminum powder is all thermite is I know ... but what was it doing there? are you suggesting rubble incinerated and just fell in the same spot with the perfect ratio needed? and also it wasn't standard thermite that was found it was NANO thermite

    add all that to tons of inconsistencies in the official explanation... something just dont add up pal
     
  13. Gh0zt36

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    Forgot about this. This picture and what happened over the next 30 mins in that school is probably the biggest red flag of all, heres why.

    The presidents Itinerary was public knowledge approx 7 days before the attack. Yet the man sat there for another half hour so he didnt " Scare the children "
    The secret services only mission is to keep the president alive. why was he not rushed out of that elementary school immediately? The only way they could've known that school wasn't a target is if they *KNEW* that school wasn't a target!!
     
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    How do you account for this then lol A structural Steel box support cut at a 45 degree angle at near ground level with visible slag under the horizontal cut from the molten steel? Taken at ground zero in the rubble of wtc 1
     

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  15. bkt

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    You troofers knock yourselves out. Believe what you want.
     
  16. Yunus

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    There is no point in trying to debate point by point every example of why you believe this to be an inside job. No amount of proof will change your mind. You are blinded by your beliefs IMO.
     
  17. IGETEVEN

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    Taken well after the tower had fallen and during the salvage, cutting and removal stages of site debris from the area.

    Indeed. :rolleyes:

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  18. Overkill0084

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    So which is it?

    Govt is totally diabolical and fantastically clever enough to pull this off without word getting out from ANYONE who particpated. The people with the skill set to pull off a demolition of that magnatude can likely be counted on one hand. Oh and a demo of that nature takes weeks or months to set up. I think that the amount of explosives required would be next to impossible to place unnoticed.

    Or,

    Govt is a bunch of drones with questionable intelligence and marginal competence on their best day. Operation "Fast and Furious" came off without a hitch right? Many think that it was part of a govt conspiracy to allow our current administration to justify new and improved gun control measures. So how's that working out.
    I keep hearing how Bush 43 was a morion who barely made it through college and got by with only marginal intelligence. I also hear he's an evil genius who was gleefully rubbing his hands together in a Monty Burns manner whenever something terrible happened.
    You can't have it both ways, so which is it?

    FYE:

    911 Conspiracy Truthers

    Dad always said, "You're judged buy the company you keep." Sharing beliefs with that group should give one pause.
     
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  19. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Good post, Vincine.


    As for you 9/11 government conspiracy theorists, there is no theory. Only the truth. To blame your own government is not only fantasy, it's an insult to the families and friends of all those lost on 9/11 and to the thousands of young men and women who have been wounded, maimed or killed in combat hunting down and killing the real conspirators and their allies for ten years.

    I can't believe there are people in this country who believe this stuff...no, wait...I can.
     
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  20. fmj

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    Folks like to point out "Fast and Furious"...Who would POSSIBLY believe that our benevolent government would do such a dasterdly thing. :rolleyes:

    The weapons of fast and furious are popping up in crimes!! Who is being held accountable???:eek:

    Nope! Our Gubmint ALWAYS has our best interests in mind, i am sure of it!:rolleyes:

    Question EVERYTHING, believe NOTHING! Especially when it comes to this overblown gubmint we have today!!