A U.S. Census worker "had been confronted by residents who pointed

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  1. wldennis

    wldennis New Member

    I found this posted on another forum. This lady was none too smart.....

    UPDATE: Y.C. woman killed by police pointed gun at officers
    By Rob Young/Appeal-Democrat
    2010-05-20 23:50:41

    A 67-year-old Yuba City woman was shot and killed by officers when she pointed a shotgun at them and refused to put it down, Yuba City police said Friday.

    Victoria Helen Roger-Vasselin was pronounced dead late Thursday at her home at 764 Mariner Loop in an affluent neighborhood on the city's far south side.

    An autopsy Friday showed she died of "multiple gunshot wounds," said Sutter County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Brenda Baker.

    A neighbor reported hearing five or six shots.

    Roger-Vasselin was the sister of the late Thomas E. Mathews, a Yuba County judge and district attorney who died in 2005.

    "They shot her dead," Roger-Vasselin's distraught son, Christian Biscotti, said outside the house Friday morning.

    "I think she was just startled" by late visits to her home, he said.

    Before Biscotti could say more, a relative or family friend took him by the arm and led him inside, shutting the door.

    Officers went to the Mariner Loop home after receiving a call at 9:04 p.m. about weapons being brandished, according to a police incident log. In a press release, police did not say exactly when the shooting happened.

    Police scanner traffic indicated the shooting happened about 10:20 p.m.

    A U.S. Census worker "had been confronted by residents who pointed a firearm at the worker and said they would not answer any questions and closed the door," said police spokeswoman Shawna Pavey.

    When two male officers arrived, 51-year-old Lionel Craig Patterson answered the door, armed with a handgun, police said. "As officers were dealing with the male, a female approached the door with a shotgun and ignored officers' orders to release the weapon. As the female advanced on officers, she continued to point the shotgun at officers in a threatening manner and the two officers fired their service weapons, hitting the female," the police report said.

    Both officers fired their guns, said Pavey, adding she didn't believe Roger-Vasselin or Patterson fired.

    Both officers were uniformed and clearly identifiable as police, Pavey said.

    Toxicology tests will determine if alcohol or drugs were a factor in the incident, Pavey said.

    Sonny Le, regional spokesman for the U.S. Census Bureau, offered a different version of events. The female census taker knocked on the door at 7:45 p.m. about 25 minutes before sunset when workers are supposed to quit. The Roger-Vasselin home was the last one on her list before she went home, he said.

    Patterson answered the door and first talked with the census taker, Le said.

    "The visit was quite routine" until Roger-Vasselin approached with a gun, he said.

    The census taker immediately left and called her supervisor. It was 9:04 p.m. when police were called, after news of the incident traveled up the Census Bureau's chain of command, Le said.

    Le called the incident especially tragic because the census taker, like Roger-Vasselin, is a Yuba City resident.

    Patterson was arrested on suspicion of assault with a weapon on a police officer and was being held without bail Friday in Sutter County Jail.

    The officers have been placed on routine administrative leave while the Sutter County District Attorney's Office determines if the shooting was justified. District Attorney Carl Adams said he did not yet have all the facts.

    A neighbor, Bob Dhaliwal, said he was in bed when he heard people, including one woman, shouting and yelling, followed by five or six shots. When he came outside, officers with guns drawn had the male suspect on the ground, then took him away in a patrol car, he said.

    "All I saw was him being arrested. I assumed he shot somebody," Dhaliwal said.

    Patterson lives at the same address. Pavey and neighbors said it wasn't clear what the relationship was between him and Roger-Vasselin.

    Dhaliwal and other neighbors said they didn't know Roger-Vasselin well.

    "She kept to herself," Dhaliwal said.

    One neighbor, who declined to give her name, described Roger-Vasselin as "pleasant but reserved," almost reclusive.

    "She was much more social when she first moved in. The economy was better then," the neighbor said.

    Neighbors said they had also received nighttime visits from a female census worker.

    Roger-Vasselin owned the house for about three years, but rented it for about six months while she worked in Hawaii, returning to Yuba City six to nine months ago, the neighbor said.

    When her mother, Lillian Mathews-Crumrine, died in 1998, Roger-Vasselin lived in Kauai, Hawaii.

    When Roger-Vasselin's brother died in 2005, she was living in San Francisco. Then 63 and a regional membership executive at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, she was one four employees involved in an age-discrimination lawsuit against the Marriott Corp.

    CONTACT Rob Young at 749-4710 or at ryoung@appealdemocrat.com.
  2. doctherock

    doctherock New Member

    What a shame, what the hell are they doing census visits for that late at night? Do normal business hours not apply to these guys? We cant reach the government when we need to but they come to your house at any hour and then what, an old lady loses her life. She was probably startled, didn't have good vision and possibly confused. Sad part is as well those officers have to live with their decision and it was the right decision for them. I do not blame the officers here but blame the census department for stupidity.

  3. wldennis

    wldennis New Member

    Yeah, the time of day was pretty odd. Why not let them cool down and come back in the morning. Better judgement could have been used all the way around.
  4. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

    I am sure there is much more to this story than has been reported so far. It doesn't make sense at this point.
  5. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

  6. General-Logic

    General-Logic New Member

    Some census douche came here when I was at work and when my wife told him to get off the porch he actually attempted to step into the house. My wife closed the door on him to a crack and told him she wasn't answering his questions without me there. He said she ws required to by law and she said he was incorrect, she knew her rights and if her "old man found out I'd been talking to another man he'd kick my Fing a$$" then told him to get off her porch and "don't you ever come back neither!". Of course she was exaggerating being that she's from Rhode Island but he huffed and told her he'd come back later when I was there. She said it'd probably be best just to mail his questions and she'd let me look over it after I got done skinning my deer and she couldn't do it because she can't read anyway. LOL my wife rules.

    He was very agitated, it was around 9am. I told her if he came back I was going to open carry and drink beer the whole time he was talking. I just really don't want to be a part of this thing at all. It does no good for me or mine to answer their questions anyway. I'm not the sort of people they are aiming to help anyway. The last census all I wrote was "1 male, 2 females, 1 minor, 2 adults live here. 1 income" on the front of the questionnaire and sent it in. They came by a few times getting more and more pushy as they did eventually threatening to have a police escort. I told the guys I'd be glad to call the law if they didn't "git their damass offin my porch and offin my land" they didn't return. This guy is in for a hillbilly encounter story to tell his buddys if he comes back thats for sure.
  7. orangello

    orangello New Member

    That seems to be the only certainty in this story. Sad, a simple "go away" would have been easier on everyone involved. I would hate to be the LEO who had to explain to his family that he shot some grandma in her own home, even if she was holding a shotgun.
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

    There is much to this story that isn't in the open yet. Who points a shotgun at two uniformed cops, while in their own home, if they are not SERIOUSLY upset and not understanding the situation??

    I suspect these folks were mad, and probably a bit "relaxed" in the evening beverage kind of way. One thing led to another and all of a sudden you have two cops there, threatening to take your son/brother/male member of the house in on "brandishing" charges and things escalated instead of being defused.

    As a side note, I got a visit from a Census worker on Sunday. It was about 12:30 in the afternoon and she rang the doorbell, twice, and while I was trying to corral the dogs, knocked quite hard on the door. :mad: As if I was somehow doing something wrong. WTF over?!

    It was quite obvious she was not going away, so I held the big guy by the collar and opened the door, with him scraping and clawing and snarling, wanting a piece of this intrusion.

    The lady started asking me questions about my neighbor. Do they live there? Is the house abandoned? How many people live there? When are they home.

    About the 4th rapid fire question, as I indicated I didn't really know them and I believe that someone lived there, she was getting on my nerves, so I let the big guy lurch forward a bit and get her attention.

    I explained, in a stern voice, that I didn't know the people, that my dog will bite and that I felt we were quite finished with this line of questioning since I don't know my neighbors.

    She got the hint, thanked me and left. After she had gone, I was still mad about it. Am I supposed to McCarthy-Style-Era rat out my neighbors now?? :mad::mad:
  9. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

    I didn't get a census form to fill out and mail back in, so I guess they will be coming to see me soon. I don't care. I helped my near 100 Y.O. dad fill out his censes at his request at his house and the questions are really not intrusive IMO. I've filled them out before for myself but dont understand why I didn't recieve one in the mail this time around.
  10. willshoum

    willshoum New Member

    2010 census

    My wife is one that goes door to door working for the Gubment. People with a PO box don't recieve one in the Mail. She knows when to walk away from people who don't want to respond to the Gubment questions. Some workers in the Parrish have been threatened. But no cops involved. Neighbors do help out sometime. They won't let me ride shotgun with my wife!! Just in case Granny decides to Pull Out Hers.:eek::eek:
  11. mrm14

    mrm14 Active Member

    I dont have a PO Box. The mail comes to the house. I did have a PO Box several years ago but only for short time. When I moved my business office to my house in 2004 I've recieved all my mail here since then.
  12. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

    I've never had a census worker come to my house. I probably will since I didn't fill out the form completely. :rolleyes: